Robert Let me match (more or less) your story about witnessing the internal production of a full on 128 piece orchestra. When Bandler and I lived on a couple of the houses (along with Bateson) at 1000 Alba Road in Ben Lomond (Santa Cruz mountains), we had a mutual friend, Paul Nagel, who was an excellent keyboard player who also lived in one of the houses on the property. One of Paul's inspirations was McCoy Tyner - a giant of a jazz keyboard player. Paul was also a composer. We (Bandler and I) asked him the afternoon prior to his birthday if he could have anything in the world for his birthday, what would he choose? His response was immediate, "...that he could hear McCoy Tyner play his (Nagel's) composition" That same evening, Bandler and I invited Paul over to Richard's place where we had set up a TEAC reel-to-reel machine. Paul was an excellent hypnotic subject and I had previously worked with him for pain control on a wisdom teeth extraction operation successfully. Using the previous anchors (triggers for re-induction), we quickly got Paul into a very seriously altered state. We carefully gave him a series of suggestions that resulted in him becoming McCoy. We then had him play (Nagel's composition) as McCoy and, of course, recorded it. As you guessed, we gave him the recording the following day at his birthday party. He was astonished and as far as I know, to this day, is unable to understand how we managed to get McCoy to play his (Nagel's) composition. My point, of course, is that beliefs are a bullshit backfilling conscious rationalization that offer us a story for the experiences we actually have. And, most importantly, they extract a severe price for the illusion of rationality in our lives. Kick 'em, Martin, and learn to live at FA on demand and you can listen to your 128 piece orchestra when you choose. I am still thinking about your question regarding the origins of prime numbers in the context of the conversation we are having. John