Hello James You wrote, "...most NLP'ERS including yours truly speak about instant identity change. Just use the new code game and you will....Now is that not a belief change or not as they are advertising to do?" What is your point - I was speaking of my own situation and my perceptions of others. Yes, of course, along with spirituality and other current favorites among marketable nominalizations, belief is something that the conscious mind believes essential - note the self fulfilling prophecy nature of this last sentence. My point is that beliefs get you nothing (except something to market and talk about at parties) and they carry a heavy price - they remove experience prior to having it (feedforward). Offer me an example of a belief that increases your experience and, indeed, has any advantage. You wrote, "My question  John is what happens if the client does not have any internal dialogue. Where does her timeline go then?" Who cares what happend to this mythical creature we created to explore the strucutre of human experience - if you have the capacity to live at FA (necessarily without internal dialogue), who cares? Oh, I just realized where it goes - to the same place that the images go when you are not looking at them or the socks that disappear in the process of washing. Look for them there! John