Hi Patrick and others... Patrick, in another thread you wrote: "Cognitive Scientists today will tell you there is no such thing as a “pure FA” - FA is influenced by our cognition (and metaprograms)." I would appreciate if you could further exemplify your comments. As I see it there is a danger of looking at FA and f2 transforms much like a linear strategy - as in the "old days" of NLP. To me both happen simultaneously and affect each other in a recursive loop. Yet from a neuroanatomical point of view (considering vision for example) there are a distinct set of neural pathways which end up on V1 of the visual cortex as the primary experience. This is further modified by other distinct pathways to the parietal temporal and frontal lobes which add recognition, verbal cognition, visuospatial information etc. Up to 50% of "vision" is modified by traffic going in the other direction - back to the visual cortex. Whilst the processes are very much intertwined I suspect it is actually quite easy with practice to separate one from the other to a fairly large degree. (Of course the amygdyla processes non-conscious memories and seems to work almost purely at FA in this regard.) This leads on to your second statement: "There is no such thing as a “know nothing state” - from a cognitive science perspective that’s “pure nonsense” " Once again I would appreciate if you could explain why, with examples, that this is pure nonsense. As I see it there are several things that one can do to reach or at least approximate a "know-nothing state". The classic NLP "trainer state" of uptime, external sensory focus in the present moment allows Ad commentary to drop out. Meditation, with practice, and deep trance also reduce f2 transforms. My experience of juggling, when focussing on (for me) some more complex element gives a flow state where my only focus is on the next moment - the next set of new stimuli - again with no Ad. So it seems to me that there are various strategies one can use to reduce f2 interference. I would appreciate your - and anyone else's further thoughts. Regards, Lewis.