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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and
Posted by: Lewis Walker
Date/Time: 11/02/2003 14:42:55

Hi Jon,

When you asked about "Up to 50% of "vision" is modified by traffic going in the other direction - back to the visual cortex" you wrote:

"traffic going in the other direction" is directed by "Attention"

Not by attention in the sense of conscious focus. It's all done unconsciously and then we become conscious of it. For example the act of facial recognition is a complex pathway involving the temporal lobe, pre-frontal cortex and limbic system. Yet all this action and interaction, checking and rechecking gives you the feeling of recognition just before you are consciously aware of "what" is recognised. You will "see" the "what" that is recognised differently depending on the state it evokes (e.g.fear and pleasure) - it will literally change the visual submodalities.

The visual cortex can also fill in things that are "not there". A visual scotoma is a filling defect (like the blind spot), yet depending on its size the visual cortex fills in the information "as-if it were seeing what is there, like a background wallpaper. When we are focusing on one thing there is evidence that we "fill-in" the background. Of course spontaneous hallucinations and illusions are more graphic examples of the same phenomena - up to 100% seeing what's not there.

You also wrote: ""traffic going in the other direction" is to a large extent (depending on skills of the user) under our control."

I think this is partly true only. Some aspects of vision - what is called the "how" pathway in blindsight together with other "non-conscious" visual pathways via the brainstem - never reach the light of day. Curiously they can give an emotional recognition but not a visual one! However the higher cortical functions can be modified by state - e.g. peripheral vision (parasympathetic arousal) versus foveal vision (sympathetic arousal), meditation, trance, etc, etc - and it is these higher functions that I believe John and Carmen are meaning when they speak about suspension of f2 filters (Perhaps J and C could confirm, and also comment (or not!) on whether a pure FA is obtainable - and how).

Regards, 

Lewis.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Cognitive Science, FA and 09/02/2003 20:07:39Lewis Walker
     Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 00:09:19Robert
          Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 18:36:09Lewis Walker
     Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 00:42:17Jon Edwards
          Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 18:46:15Lewis Walker
               Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 11/02/2003 09:40:53Jon Edwards
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 11/02/2003 14:42:55Lewis Walker
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 11/02/2003 20:09:08Jon Edwards
     Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 17:24:27Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
          Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 18:39:30John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 20:46:52Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 11/02/2003 02:20:50Michael Carroll
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 11/02/2003 05:11:49Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 11/02/2003 17:14:02Michael Carroll
          Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 18:52:48Lewis Walker
               Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 10/02/2003 20:51:42Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 12/02/2003 13:40:36Suds
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 12/02/2003 15:07:59Joe Tish
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 12/02/2003 15:21:07Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 12/02/2003 15:53:48John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 12/02/2003 15:54:16John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 12/02/2003 19:13:24John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 13/02/2003 20:31:06nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 12/02/2003 18:19:22John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 14/02/2003 18:06:56suds
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cognitive Science, FA and 14/02/2003 18:45:39John Grinder

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