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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics
Posted by: nj
Date/Time: 27/10/2003 04:41:41

Hello, Lewis.

You wrote:

(1)  "I'm not interested in the practice of Zen meditation as a spiritual, religious or ritualistic phenomena. I'm simply interested in the results these practices get."

OK, Lewis. 

If you want to make a comparision between Buddhist philosophy and New Code epistemology, then:

(2) quote a widely recognized Buddhist text, preferably not a recent zen text, and another quote from WITW, and, in your reply, compare the two quotes.

I wrote, "...not a recent Zen text...", in (2), because:

(3) many Zen teachers pay no heed to the authority of authentic Buddhist scripture.

So don't quote me the words of a Zen meditation master.  You will be  comparing another religious philosophy, a non-Buddhist one, with the New Code.  Zen Buddhists like a few of the original Buddhist texts, so I'll accept a quote from one that Zen Buddhists recognize.

If you want to compare:

(4) meditative stress management techniques


(5) a state suitable for modeling


(6) you could find every contrast between a religious meditative state, maybe one involving focused visualization, and a state of identification with a live human being in front of you.

Consider, for example, Guru yoga... isn't that especially helpful to you when you enter the Bardo?  I'd like my modeling efforts to let me learn something that I can apply before I die.  And, of course, the efforts should be modeling efforts, not a religious meditative practice. 

I bet you want some benefit in this lifetime, also, because you wrote:

(7) "I'm simply interested in the results these practices get, regardless of the beliefs that others may have in them."

Tibetan Buddhist practices are usually targeted toward achieving states AFTER death.  So maybe your nonreligious interests are in the Bardo, but not if you don't believe in the Bardo, or the cycle of suffering, or karma.  Personally, I don't subscribe to those beliefs at all.


ps: I haven't got devotion toward Dr. Grinder and Ms. Bostic St. Clair.  But I consider them proper authorities on NLP principles and practice.

Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
Reality / Ethics16/10/2003 16:51:36Eric
     Re:Reality / Ethics16/10/2003 17:56:43John Grinder
          Re:Re:Reality / Ethics16/10/2003 18:38:58Eric
               Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics16/10/2003 22:29:50nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics17/10/2003 05:12:02nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics24/10/2003 13:07:18Eric
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics24/10/2003 13:41:07Suds
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics25/10/2003 09:10:08nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics25/10/2003 22:51:10Lewis Walker
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics26/10/2003 00:11:40nj
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics26/10/2003 18:41:01Lewis Walker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics27/10/2003 04:41:41nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics27/10/2003 12:00:32Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics28/10/2003 01:13:55Eric
          Re:Re:Reality / Ethics16/10/2003 22:16:06nj
          Re:Re:Reality / Ethics23/10/2003 05:07:57carrie
               Re:Re:Re:Reality / Ethics23/10/2003 17:49:44John Grinder

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