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Topic: ethical milton and grinder
Posted by: Tim Garrett
Date/Time: 30/10/2003 05:35:43

Ok, stop all this talk about Milton Erickson violating the ethical principal that WITW so brillantly expouses.

Milton, like Grinder, never introduces content. EVER! You know why? He has no interest.  So even when it looks like he is introducing content (like when he told the impotent man that blood grows stronger when you eat your 'grits' outside the home) he is only speaking in form.  How is this possible. because Milton didn't care about the content. That is what makes it ethical. 

Don't try to protect Milton by saying that he uses metaphor. Not necessary. Milton is protected because he doesn't believe the content he introduces. Same with Grinder. If Grinder believed in all the content he introduced (I'm thinking of examples he gave in the early books), then he wouldn't be ethical. Same with Milton. 

Acorrding to WITW, it is fine to introduce as much content as you want as long as you don't fall for it as 'truth'. Because if you know it's a lie, then you are just using it for process purposes.  So, Matt, when you use your 'massive' amounts of content it all comes down to whether you are lying or telling the 'truth'. Which one? If the former, you are ethical. If the latter, you are violating the most important principal of NLP. I've enjoyed the discussion and just wanted to step up for Milton.  There are no grounds to question his ethics. And don't you think Grinder would have mentioned it by now if he thought of Milton as an unethical therapist?

Tim


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
ethical milton and grinder30/10/2003 05:35:43Tim Garrett
     Re:ethical milton and grinder30/10/2003 06:10:35Tony
          Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder31/10/2003 20:13:48Sandra Dossler
               Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 03:12:24Derrick
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 04:34:51nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 12:41:19d
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 17:33:25Russ
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 20:31:35D
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 22:40:48nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 03:22:22Russ
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 06:39:26nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 23:07:34nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 02:08:30D
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 19:34:58d
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 05:16:04nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 19:04:45D
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder04/11/2003 18:04:43John Grinder
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 02:21:55D
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 03:07:49Todd
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 13:50:27Jon Edwards
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 02:19:41Todd
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 13:06:01Jon Edwards
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 14:46:36Todd
                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 17:31:01Jon Edwards
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     Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 23:40:44nj
          Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 22:20:04Todd
               Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 05:29:35soren
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 06:25:37Omar Kayam
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 07:18:19nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 08:40:27Wolfgang
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 08:44:42nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 12:00:38Carrie
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 19:37:29nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 20:08:09doug
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 21:58:46nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 11:59:23Carrie
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:03:01Wolfgang
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:19:53nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:54:53Wolfgang
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 23:29:52nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder09/11/2003 00:41:36matt ross
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 21:32:32Todd

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