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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder
Posted by: Jon Edwards
Date/Time: 06/11/2003 13:06:01

Ooops! My apologies, Todd

Seems I had developed "tunnel vision" in my efforts to understand the content/process distinction! Re-reading Whispering, JG and CB state that BOTH the content/form and content/process distinctions are vital to ethical application.

Extending the analogy of grammar, I wonder if it's useful to say -

Content = semantics (the words the person uses in a sentence)

Form = syntax (the structure of the sentence)

Process = language-formation? (the rules and techniques the person used to create the sentence)

An intervention using Form (e.g. submodalities shift) invites them to select a different structure for their sentence, selecting from their own collection of structures (and ideally, asking their unconscious to make, or at least ratify, the selection).

An intervention using Process (e.g. New Code game) -
- teaches them a new technique for sentence formation and invites them to reformulate their sentence using this technique
- and/or, puts them in a more resourceful state and invites them to reformulate their sentence using the full range of their existing repertoire of techniques.

(And some interventions combine both, eg. 6-step reframe)

Both form and process are a logical level above content, but they use two different ordering functions for their respective hierarchies of levels. Sometimes process is a logical level above form - eg. if you use the form to decide which change process to use?

Cheers, Jon


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
ethical milton and grinder30/10/2003 05:35:43Tim Garrett
     Re:ethical milton and grinder30/10/2003 06:10:35Tony
          Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder31/10/2003 20:13:48Sandra Dossler
               Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 03:12:24Derrick
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 04:34:51nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 12:41:19d
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 17:33:25Russ
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 20:31:35D
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 22:40:48nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 03:22:22Russ
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 06:39:26nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 23:07:34nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 02:08:30D
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 19:34:58d
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 05:16:04nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 19:04:45D
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder04/11/2003 18:04:43John Grinder
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 02:21:55D
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 03:07:49Todd
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 13:50:27Jon Edwards
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 02:19:41Todd
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 13:06:01Jon Edwards
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 14:46:36Todd
                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 17:31:01Jon Edwards
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 17:01:57D
     Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 23:40:44nj
          Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 22:20:04Todd
               Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 05:29:35soren
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 06:25:37Omar Kayam
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 07:18:19nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 08:40:27Wolfgang
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 08:44:42nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 12:00:38Carrie
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 19:37:29nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 20:08:09doug
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 21:58:46nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 11:59:23Carrie
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:03:01Wolfgang
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:19:53nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:54:53Wolfgang
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 23:29:52nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder09/11/2003 00:41:36matt ross
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 21:32:32Todd

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