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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder
Posted by: nj
Date/Time: 01/11/2003 23:07:34

Hello, d.

Reading over your post, I decided to reply to your statement, quoted in quote (1).

(1) "the content I introduce is mostly in the form of practices (go out and build a helicopter of grief because it will lift your spirits) or ideas that get them to step outside the box."

Maybe you mean step outside your office, d.  And not come back. 

In some lucky context, the statement:

(2) d:"Go out and build a helicopter of grief because it will lift your spirits."

might be therapeutic.  But that lucky context is not necessarily a context where:

(3) the context is one in which the client has a problem of a particular type.

Proposition (3) refers to a context defined by a particular problem, for example, the problem of suffering low self-esteem after a failed romantic love.

Your success at satisfying your (hopefully) positive perlocutionary intent with the locution (2) seems chancy.  Nothing about locution (2) would necessarily do the job for you.

One thing that locution (2) might do is let you be mean to your client.  Locution (2) might continue to be worthwhile for you if you value being mean, but locution (2) would only be therapeutic for your client when you're lucky.

Of course, you could have Milton Erickson's skill, and mastery of (non)verbal rapport, and his added ability to establish cultural rapport with his clients.  If so, then you probably make locution (2) only when you're certain that it will satisfy your perlocutionary intent for it.

But in quote (1) you wrote:

(3) "..or ideas that get them to step outside the box."

So I have a question for you.  My question is:

(4) Does getting a client to step outside the box liberate them from a patterned response that determined that client's malfunctional emotional responses?

Or, alternatively:

(5) Do you prevent further neuroses in your client by shocking them with locutions containing semantic content, content that convincingly evinces disbelief in the suppositions that your client's neuroses depend upon?

And, alternatively:

(6) Have you tried drilling holes into the head of a romantic client, to see if you can get his romantic notions to dribble out?

-nj


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
ethical milton and grinder30/10/2003 05:35:43Tim Garrett
     Re:ethical milton and grinder30/10/2003 06:10:35Tony
          Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder31/10/2003 20:13:48Sandra Dossler
               Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 03:12:24Derrick
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 04:34:51nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 12:41:19d
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 17:33:25Russ
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 20:31:35D
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 22:40:48nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 03:22:22Russ
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 06:39:26nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder01/11/2003 23:07:34nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 02:08:30D
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder02/11/2003 19:34:58d
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 05:16:04nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 19:04:45D
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder04/11/2003 18:04:43John Grinder
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 02:21:55D
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 03:07:49Todd
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 13:50:27Jon Edwards
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 02:19:41Todd
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 13:06:01Jon Edwards
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 14:46:36Todd
                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 17:31:01Jon Edwards
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder05/11/2003 17:01:57D
     Re:ethical milton and grinder03/11/2003 23:40:44nj
          Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder06/11/2003 22:20:04Todd
               Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 05:29:35soren
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 06:25:37Omar Kayam
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 07:18:19nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 08:40:27Wolfgang
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 08:44:42nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 12:00:38Carrie
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 19:37:29nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 20:08:09doug
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 21:58:46nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 11:59:23Carrie
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:03:01Wolfgang
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:19:53nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 22:54:53Wolfgang
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 23:29:52nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder09/11/2003 00:41:36matt ross
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethical milton and grinder08/11/2003 21:32:32Todd

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