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Topic: Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience
Posted by: Jim R
Date/Time: 21/12/2003 21:06:12


I have to admit I find it amusing when NLP'ers even the likes of Robert Dilts, write about this topic when my guess is they've never put out an "ounce" of actual spiritual effort in their life.. Its not that I don't think they're well intentioned, it just that I strongly suspect that they've never gone out and actually met someone who has attained what a spiritual master would call SAMADHI. and modeled them, found out what they do, and actaully do what the spiritual master practiced/s themselves

Now,UNDERSTAND....I'm very BIASED about this having been a devotee of Paramhansa Yogananda(,and whose meditation techniques I've practiced for 16+ years.
Even so, whether you were to choose Yogananda or another spiritual master(and "they don't just grow on trees"), it seems to me that its like any other modeling project-find someone who attained the result and do what they did.

Fortunately for those who would consider Yogananda as a spiritual master, he saved his devotees (and future ones)alot time and effort, and spells out what one needs to do to get samadhi.
In my opinion the "BIGGEST"  challenge I notice from postings  that NLP'ers have made about this topic over the years is believing that they have to practice only certain prescribed methods that will produce samadhi. *Most* NLP'ers seem to there's got to be a hypnotic shortcut,or think that they either need a custom tailered spiritual practice designed JUST for themself,one that's different from every other devotee or they won't do it. It doesn't matter that those same prescribed spiritual practices have been practiced by the very spirtual masters who teach them.
Finally, there's a reason spiritual masters don't instruct people to "practice a Dave Elman"induction" to develop themeselves spiritually- becuase meditation generates samadhi, hypnosis doesn't.

Jim R


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience16/12/2003 01:57:42Pete West
     Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience17/12/2003 20:11:53John Schertzer
          Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience17/12/2003 21:09:21Pete West
     Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience21/12/2003 20:21:06Jim R
     Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience21/12/2003 21:06:12Jim R
          Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 00:32:52GPMG
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 02:35:57Spike
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 02:57:51scott
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 11:12:24GPMG
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ?spiritual? experience22/12/2003 04:49:58J Rose
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ?spiritual? experience22/12/2003 16:45:35John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 16:35:48John Grinder
          Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 02:41:16Spike
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 06:38:07Jim R
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 16:54:22Spike
          Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/12/2003 16:31:58John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/12/2003 00:16:37Jim R
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/12/2003 00:41:46Pete West
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/12/2003 04:39:14Jim R
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ?spiritual? experience23/12/2003 04:46:36kate
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience26/12/2003 05:53:50nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience24/12/2003 19:04:39John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience24/12/2003 21:02:53Jim R
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience26/12/2003 19:28:49John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience26/12/2003 20:41:30Jim R
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience27/12/2003 00:10:34John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience27/12/2003 15:59:03Jim R
     Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/12/2003 01:24:06Pete West
          Re:Re:Modeling: ?spiritual? experience23/12/2003 04:45:29kate
     Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience21/01/2004 22:16:11Brian Van der Horst
          Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/01/2004 11:19:24Pete West
          Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience22/01/2004 17:06:54John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/01/2004 09:40:13Pete West
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/01/2004 17:41:41John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/01/2004 18:10:40John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience24/01/2004 02:50:36Pete West
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience24/01/2004 19:08:37John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience24/01/2004 22:23:19zero cool
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience26/01/2004 14:06:49John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience27/01/2004 14:23:34John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience23/01/2004 20:28:20Ryan Nagy
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience24/01/2004 20:54:09nj
          Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience24/01/2004 21:58:23nj
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience26/01/2004 20:37:31abbott
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience26/01/2004 21:44:13Brian Van der Horst
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling: ‘spiritual’ experience27/01/2004 08:10:18nj

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