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Topic: Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling
Posted by: Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
Date/Time: 16/09/2002 14:28:03

Gene

You comment,

"I would agree on your point that it is possibly more useful than not to suspend conscious filters in the unconscious uptake stage of modelling"

Indeed, we consider this criterion to be the key one that distinguished NLP modeling from all other types we are aware of. To attempt to "model" without suspension of f2 during the assimulation stage is simply a left brained academic exercise. Assimulation without f2 filters assures that something quite deep is being captured. This, in combination with the criterion that the modeler demonstrate his or her ability to reproduce the effects in the world as does the original model, defines NLP modeling for us.

You also ask.

"What would be an example of having 2nd position without reflexivity?"

Second position is simply the ability to put yourself in the perceptual position of the other. Thus, any second position will be non-reflexive. Here we are assuming that by reflexive, you are referring to self awareness - a property required by 3rd position.

All the best,

Carmen and John


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling15/09/2002 04:23:40Gene Bryson
     Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling15/09/2002 05:43:22Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
          ReRe:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling15/09/2002 13:25:49kc
               Re:ReRe:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling16/09/2002 14:20:30John Grinder
          Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling15/09/2002 20:57:35Gene Bryson
               Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling16/09/2002 14:28:03Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling16/09/2002 15:59:32Gene Bryson
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling16/09/2002 19:55:01Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling18/09/2002 00:08:01mr X
                    Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling17/09/2002 21:36:44mr X
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling18/09/2002 18:35:42Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling18/09/2002 21:58:26mr X
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling18/09/2002 23:17:58Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling19/09/2002 00:37:23mr X
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling19/09/2002 01:04:49John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling21/09/2002 18:02:35mr X
               Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling22/11/2002 23:31:23jim lavery
                    Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling23/11/2002 16:34:02John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling23/11/2002 16:51:31Bill T
                    Re:Re:Re:Utilizing Perceptual Positions in Modelling27/11/2002 16:25:34John Grinder

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