Mr. x We assume that you are referring to our invitation to offer a concrete example of, "As I understand your reply this definition of 1st is somewhat lacking, since it is possible to dream in 1st while experiencing things that are not experienced from ones bodys perceptual position." You say, "I imagine going out of the front door of my house, and flying at a low altitude to the center of the city, where I look at a certain building, notice how cold it is and that very few people are out now." Is this equivalent to the same sentence with the addition of one word; namely, "myself" as in "I imagine myself going out of the front..." If so, then you are clearly in a 3rd, seeing (as you wrote "imaging") yourself in this adventure of the imagination. Apparently, if we understand what you wrote, you collapse your perceptual positin into the "displaced new 1st and have the assorted imaginary experienced described from this new perceptual displaced 1st position - this seems to be what you are reporting when you say, "Some of the time I perceived what I did as if I had brought my body." Now, if you catch sight of yourself from this new imaginary perceptual 1st, you would be once again in 3rd. You might try reading the section in Whispering on pages 256 - 258 - perhaps that would be useful. We have another question that we suspect might be useful in our attempt to respond to your questions: could you give us some indication what difference all of this classification makes? Or equivalently, what is the context of concrete application where these distinctions are useful? All the best, Carmen and John