Mr. x You ask two questions in your two postings: 1. "If a person imagines that she leaves her body and in her imagination goes to another place and watches and listens to what happens there without seing and hearing herself, then she is not in 3rd. In which perceptual position is she?" We believe that that experience is usually called a dream. Of course, the same distinctions are available in dreams - that is, there are dreams in which the dreamer is in 1st position and dreams in which the dreamer is in either 2nd or 3rd position. Unless you are proposing that the observations that the dreamer in the case you present makes are real time remote viewing of actual ongoing experience, then we are uncertain what else to call this. 2."If a person sees and listens to herself from second position, why does that not count as it being reflexive? A person X in second position (seeing through the eyes and hearing through the ears and feeling the feelings of person Y is not person X at that point but person Y and Y's perceptions of X are non-reflexive. This all depends on the skill of the person making the 2nd position shift. For example, when you 2nd position (or 3rd position, for that matter) if you are doing this with some skill, the voice that belongs (normally to you) to the person who you are watching and listening to from 2nd position will sound as it does when you hear your voice on a recording - the tissue and bone conduction path is not present in 2nd and 3rd and therefore serves as an excellent indicator of the effectiveness of the 2nd position shift. All the best, Carmen and John