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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe
Posted by: John Grinder
Date/Time: 26/12/2002 22:57:29

John S.

1. You wrote,

"Does that mean you were conscious of it from the beginning, or did it start out as an unconscious competence after you did the implicit modeling stages?  I imagine, if it was possible, that this would be something that the unconscious would be better at tracking than the conscious mind."

If you think a bit about the sequence that Carmen and I proposed in Whispering, then you can deduce the answer to your question and the justification for it as well - although I agree with you that if you have access to the source and can verify some product of your f2 computation (the deduction), best do so. Through effective imitation and the suspension of all f2 filters (a positive refusal to attempt to understand anything until we reached criterion), we achieved a significant level of unconscious competency.

And you're right, of course that "the unconscious would be better at tracking than the conscious mind."

2. I have no clue what you are referring to in your statement,

"So, in a sense, the making explicit of the involuntary signal may be more of a training issue than one of application, in the long run."

It is the key to any application as Carmen and I argue in Whispering - including, converting Classic code patterning to New code.

The world is a lot more complex that yes and no responses - either consciously or unconsciously.

All the best,


Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
6 step reframe15/12/2002 23:39:57Lewis Walker
     Re:6 step reframe16/12/2002 02:53:05Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
     Re:6 step reframe18/12/2002 00:57:45Michael Carroll
          Re:Re:6 step reframe18/12/2002 01:44:26thepropagandist
               Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe18/12/2002 16:48:55Michael Caroll
     Re:6 step reframe24/12/2002 17:43:41John Schertzer
          Re:Re:6 step reframe24/12/2002 19:11:52John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe25/12/2002 00:29:07Michael Carroll
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe25/12/2002 04:40:09SMH
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe26/12/2002 18:12:12John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe26/12/2002 18:09:48John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe26/12/2002 17:56:53John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe26/12/2002 18:58:51John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe26/12/2002 19:52:43John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe26/12/2002 22:57:29John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe27/12/2002 14:18:59John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe27/12/2002 21:28:50John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:6 step reframe30/12/2002 14:15:01John Schertzer

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