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Topic: Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!
Posted by: John Grinder
Date/Time: 22/05/2003 17:26:58

Pete

OK, consider yourself told:)!

I refuse to respond to presentations with the style in which Peter offers his posting however I recognize and validate your point. As Carmen and I stated in Whispering, the classic code has certain flaws in that critical portions of what Bandler and I actually did did not get explicitly coded - this was the point of the critique of the classic code in Whispering.

There are many reasons possible for the, as you say, ineffective results reported by practitioners:

Incongruency on the part of the practitioner

Lack of rapport skills with the client's unconscious

low level calibration skills - if you miss an important non-verbal signal, the client's unconscious is likely to decline to support the further work

Inadequate training

a coding failure for the pattern in question

...

I can imagine dozens more.

On the other hand, it may be that there are flaws in the coding of the new code - this is the importance of Mitch's report - and, I assume you recognize, the responses I have offered to him.

What would be interesting is for someone (perhaps having demonstrated his ability to hallucinate, bitch and moan, Peter could move on to a useful project) to investigate the reported "failures" and determine whether they cluster - the difficulty is, of course, that what is reported in such cases is strained through the filters of consciousness and it is quite likely that it is precisely what the practitioner didn't note consciously that makes the difference. This makes the project a very interesting challenge. If there were such an investigation and a cluster (or more than one) were discovered, then interesting corrections could be offered.

All the best,

John


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 14:43:00Peter Stevenson
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 16:09:52Pete
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 17:26:58John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 00:31:53Zhi Zhi Chien
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 00:36:40ali
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!27/05/2003 18:46:32John Grinder
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 20:50:32robert
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 16:34:18John Schertzer
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 16:46:00Tbone
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 19:03:19Lewis Walker
     ReReReReRe:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 23:44:58The count
     NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 00:05:37thepropagandist
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 04:27:16Mitch
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 12:41:47Peter Stevenson
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 13:15:15walter
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 17:31:01Jim R
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 18:56:49walter
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 19:20:27Jim R
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 08:39:14Robert Johansson
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 22:06:41thepropagandist
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 23:29:22Michael Worthington
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!24/05/2003 04:09:00Peter Stevenson
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 01:05:39Michael Carroll
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 09:00:36Peter Stevenson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 09:36:40Lee
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 10:01:45Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 11:48:18Michael Worthington
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 17:53:43Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 23:40:00Mitch
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 07:57:54Walter
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 14:08:33Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!29/05/2003 11:38:33Michael Carroll
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!29/05/2003 12:08:00Lewis Walker
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!29/05/2003 14:52:29Jim R
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!20/11/2003 12:04:33Steven
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!20/11/2003 16:47:54Lewis Walker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!20/11/2003 20:20:58Stephen
     NLP does work!01/08/2004 00:29:38RMK
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!05/08/2004 02:44:54Robert Holzhauser
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!05/08/2004 03:31:09Greg Alexander
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!05/08/2004 04:53:56Robert Holzhauser

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