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Topic: Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!
Posted by: Lewis Walker
Date/Time: 22/05/2003 19:03:19

Hi all thread contributers,

The most clinically research validated and evidence based therapy currently is cognitive-behavioural therapy. Depending on the issue it can have a 50-90% success rate over anything between 10-20 sessions. My 10 years experience with NLP is that it gets very similar results to CBT over a significantly shorter time frame. Many of the CBT principles and methodologies share the same epistemological bases as NLP - this doesn't necessarily validate NLP by the back door, but is very encouraging.

I have used NLP - mainly classic code with lots of patients in the last decade and have longterm follow up. Essentially 1 in 3 get excellent long term results, 1 in 3 average to good and 1 in 3 nil to moderate. I used to think that lack of success was simply my lack of skill - however I'm not that certain many of the trainers I trained with with really significantly better - or got better results. Mostly it was about marketing and revenue.

The key to good results is to have excellent sensory acuity/calibration skills and be able to get excellent rapport. These go much further in getting results than mere technique! The rapport needs to be with the client's unconscious mind - not his conscious mind. Too many NLP wannabees go to a short course in the hope that all the skills will be unconsciously installed - a bit like having your head opened up and all the NLP stuffed inside. Really there is no substitute for prolonged and focused practice - and particularly looking closely at those clients for whom "nothing happened". You don't get to be an expert overnight no matter who you deep trance identified with.

I have little formal experience with New Code games so can't comment directly. However if anyone can get single session cures with psychosis, schizophrenia, manic-depression, severe agarophobia etc....let me know how you did it. This fixation about "if you can't do it in one session it's not NLP" is terribly limiting. Many of the problems are far more complex than the simple exhibition of one technique to magic them away. However I see nothing wrong in doing 3-5 sessions if need be....many get results in that time frame.

Sorry...gotta go as my practice group meeets in 15 minutes....(that is the real secret of skills development)

Regards to all,


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 14:43:00Peter Stevenson
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 16:09:52Pete
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 17:26:58John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 00:31:53Zhi Zhi Chien
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 00:36:40ali
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!27/05/2003 18:46:32John Grinder
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 20:50:32robert
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 16:34:18John Schertzer
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 16:46:00Tbone
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 19:03:19Lewis Walker
     ReReReReRe:NLP doesnt work!!!22/05/2003 23:44:58The count
     NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 00:05:37thepropagandist
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 04:27:16Mitch
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 12:41:47Peter Stevenson
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 13:15:15walter
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 17:31:01Jim R
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 18:56:49walter
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 19:20:27Jim R
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 08:39:14Robert Johansson
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 22:06:41thepropagandist
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!23/05/2003 23:29:22Michael Worthington
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!24/05/2003 04:09:00Peter Stevenson
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 01:05:39Michael Carroll
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 09:00:36Peter Stevenson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 09:36:40Lee
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 10:01:45Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 11:48:18Michael Worthington
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 17:53:43Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!25/05/2003 23:40:00Mitch
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 07:57:54Walter
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!26/05/2003 14:08:33Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!29/05/2003 11:38:33Michael Carroll
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!29/05/2003 12:08:00Lewis Walker
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!29/05/2003 14:52:29Jim R
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!20/11/2003 12:04:33Steven
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!20/11/2003 16:47:54Lewis Walker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!20/11/2003 20:20:58Stephen
     NLP does work!01/08/2004 00:29:38RMK
     Re:NLP doesnt work!!!05/08/2004 02:44:54Robert Holzhauser
          Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!05/08/2004 03:31:09Greg Alexander
               Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!!05/08/2004 04:53:56Robert Holzhauser

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