Topic: | Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! |
Posted by: | Lewis Walker |
Date/Time: | 22/05/2003 19:03:19 |
Hi all thread contributers, The most clinically research validated and evidence based therapy currently is cognitive-behavioural therapy. Depending on the issue it can have a 50-90% success rate over anything between 10-20 sessions. My 10 years experience with NLP is that it gets very similar results to CBT over a significantly shorter time frame. Many of the CBT principles and methodologies share the same epistemological bases as NLP - this doesn't necessarily validate NLP by the back door, but is very encouraging. I have used NLP - mainly classic code with lots of patients in the last decade and have longterm follow up. Essentially 1 in 3 get excellent long term results, 1 in 3 average to good and 1 in 3 nil to moderate. I used to think that lack of success was simply my lack of skill - however I'm not that certain many of the trainers I trained with with really significantly better - or got better results. Mostly it was about marketing and revenue. The key to good results is to have excellent sensory acuity/calibration skills and be able to get excellent rapport. These go much further in getting results than mere technique! The rapport needs to be with the client's unconscious mind - not his conscious mind. Too many NLP wannabees go to a short course in the hope that all the skills will be unconsciously installed - a bit like having your head opened up and all the NLP stuffed inside. Really there is no substitute for prolonged and focused practice - and particularly looking closely at those clients for whom "nothing happened". You don't get to be an expert overnight no matter who you deep trance identified with. I have little formal experience with New Code games so can't comment directly. However if anyone can get single session cures with psychosis, schizophrenia, manic-depression, severe agarophobia etc....let me know how you did it. This fixation about "if you can't do it in one session it's not NLP" is terribly limiting. Many of the problems are far more complex than the simple exhibition of one technique to magic them away. However I see nothing wrong in doing 3-5 sessions if need be....many get results in that time frame. Sorry...gotta go as my practice group meeets in 15 minutes....(that is the real secret of skills development) Regards to all, Lewis. |
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NLP doesnt work!!! | 22/05/2003 14:43:00 | Peter Stevenson |
Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 22/05/2003 16:09:52 | Pete |
Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 22/05/2003 17:26:58 | John Grinder |
Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 00:31:53 | Zhi Zhi Chien |
Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 26/05/2003 00:36:40 | ali |
Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 27/05/2003 18:46:32 | John Grinder |
Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 20:50:32 | robert |
Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 22/05/2003 16:34:18 | John Schertzer |
Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 22/05/2003 16:46:00 | Tbone |
Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 22/05/2003 19:03:19 | Lewis Walker |
ReReReReRe:NLP doesnt work!!! | 22/05/2003 23:44:58 | The count |
NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 00:05:37 | thepropagandist |
Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 04:27:16 | Mitch |
Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 12:41:47 | Peter Stevenson |
Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 13:15:15 | walter |
Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 17:31:01 | Jim R |
Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 18:56:49 | walter |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 19:20:27 | Jim R |
Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 26/05/2003 08:39:14 | Robert Johansson |
Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 22:06:41 | thepropagandist |
Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 23/05/2003 23:29:22 | Michael Worthington |
Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 24/05/2003 04:09:00 | Peter Stevenson |
Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 25/05/2003 01:05:39 | Michael Carroll |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 25/05/2003 09:00:36 | Peter Stevenson |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 25/05/2003 09:36:40 | Lee |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 25/05/2003 10:01:45 | Lewis Walker |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 25/05/2003 11:48:18 | Michael Worthington |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 25/05/2003 17:53:43 | Lewis Walker |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 25/05/2003 23:40:00 | Mitch |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 26/05/2003 07:57:54 | Walter |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 26/05/2003 14:08:33 | Lewis Walker |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 29/05/2003 11:38:33 | Michael Carroll |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 29/05/2003 12:08:00 | Lewis Walker |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 29/05/2003 14:52:29 | Jim R |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 20/11/2003 12:04:33 | Steven |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 20/11/2003 16:47:54 | Lewis Walker |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 20/11/2003 20:20:58 | Stephen |
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Re:Re:NLP doesnt work!!! | 05/08/2004 03:31:09 | Greg Alexander |
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