Hi Lewis and Pam, Great!!! I can see that the nominalization Flatland has many meanings associated to it. For Pam, it ties into the injunctions used to retrieve experience. For Lewis, it's about reducing experience to the lowest levels of the quadrants. For me, flatland describes the approach of traditional science of limiting itself to external, material evidence before acknowledging the validity of any phenomenon (in other words, expression in the right quadrants) and omitting the shades of meaningful experience available in the left quadrants. He discusses this extensively in "The Marriage of Sense and Soul" and corrects the misled perception that science is the need for material proof; instead, he argues, science consists of following the scientific method in order to produce experience. Then, by means of an injunction, to offer the process to the public at large who can then find out for itself the result of the experiment. Ken argues that many spiritual disciplines offer these injunctions and these practices, and that anyone can check out the result of following those injunctions for him/herself. Within the framework he proposes, science is the following of an injunction in order to access experience rather than the reductionistic requirement for material proof. Knowing of the rigor and discrimination that Ken imposes on scholars' work, I can appreciate Dr. Grinder and Dr. Bostic's epistemological rigor and find both right and left quadrants available in their work. On one side, the physiology and neurology of experience: eyes, ears, skin, nose, tongue, and brain. On the other side, FA, F2, and all post-F2: pictures, sounds, feelings, smells, tastes, words, and intuitions. This correspondence seems very adequate to investigating left-quadrant phenomena and expliciting injunctions to enhance human experience, much moreso than egos, ids, arquetypes, and previous descriptions of the human psyche. In addition, it fits rather elegantly with Wilber's description of the internal and external faces of the holon. For instance, in a right quadrant experience, the firing of a neuron in the visual cortex and slowing down of breath results in the production of endorphins  in the body. In the corresponding left-side experience, the hallucination of the sight of a beach and the feeling of relaxation results in bliss. If this still puts NLP epistemology in flatland, how can we enrich it so that it is more embracing of human experience? Martin