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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence
Posted by: Stephen Bray
Date/Time: 30/01/2004 03:54:59

Martin,

You write:

"Your message led me to ask myself about potential fields of experience that exist beyond the senses, and thus that can't really be described. For example, I'm starting to feel more and more that there's a substance that permeates me and everything around me, an emptiness that is actually really full. Some have called it ether. There is no way for my senses to apprehend it (or is there?) and yet I'm certain that it's there. How?

Are there other sensory modalities that we could add to the VAKOG bag that we already have?"

I think that the answer to your question is, probably not! We might mess with VAKOG in order to, for example, split K into Kinaesthetics and Proprioception but really to do so would be simply to quantify aspects of the 'K class' of receptors.

However, the emptiness that you report 'might' be the background screen upon which the apparent differences created by the transform reductions, F1, F2 are projected.

This is probably best illustrated by the following vignette from an earlier era of my life:

It’s late and I have seen three families already this afternoon. The face in the mirror looks tired; it’s the face of someone who wants to go home. The family has been referred by Social Services for assessment. The Local Authority is engaged in Care Proceedings with the family. The mother and children live in a family centre, the father occupies the family’s flat. The woman carries a tiny baby who smells and needs changing. The man seems hostile, he seems to resent the assessment, but has come in order to ‘win’ his children back. The three year old sits on his lap, a white candle of mucus suspended from his nose. A six-year old girl sits near the mother. Slowly I attempt to instil some structure into the session, mother leaves to change the baby’s nappy. The father is talking more reasonably. But when mother returns the three year old says he wants to go to the toilet. When Father tells him to wait he vomits on the floor. From that no-place where the universe assembles I recognise that all this process is occurring in the same space as my torso, hands and feet. It is occurring within a space called ‘my experience’. I realise that I am part of the chaos, and also its witness. I find that as a witness I am neither tired nor stressed.  I encourage the family members to take some time out. The following week when they arrive they are more relaxed. There is also a vomit stain on the clinic’s fitted carpet. As the weeks pass that indelible stain on the floor reminds me of how even the most unpredictable and apparently hostile families may be helped when engaged from the place of timeless clarity.

Stephen


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Importance of Emergence19/01/2004 23:39:17Charlie Conklin
     Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 02:29:01pam g
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 05:48:50Stephen Bray
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 11:13:58Martin Messier
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 13:01:40Pam
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 13:23:27GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 17:22:04Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 18:20:41Martin Messier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 20:30:45Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence20/01/2004 22:23:16sid
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence21/01/2004 15:01:43Martin Messier
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence21/01/2004 16:52:58Lewis Walker
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence21/01/2004 17:59:07Tom
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence30/01/2004 03:54:59Stephen Bray
     Re:Importance of Emergence29/01/2004 20:28:15nj
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence29/01/2004 22:28:27nj
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence29/01/2004 22:52:19nj
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence30/01/2004 14:48:31Charlie Conklin
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence30/01/2004 19:45:20yojimbe
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence30/01/2004 20:55:30Charlie Conklin
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence31/01/2004 04:45:44yojimbe
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence30/01/2004 19:45:49Ryan Nagy
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence31/01/2004 04:19:59zero cool
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence31/01/2004 17:47:00Stephen Bray
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence31/01/2004 17:41:51John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence31/01/2004 20:29:23nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence31/01/2004 22:28:36Mark MacLean
                              :Re:Re:Importance of Emergence02/02/2004 04:26:11Ryan Nagy
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence01/02/2004 05:18:14Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence04/02/2004 19:11:37John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence02/02/2004 10:01:21nj
               To: Charlie Conklin, Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence30/01/2004 20:49:19nj
                    Re:To: Charlie Conklin, Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence30/01/2004 20:58:24nj
                         Re: personal emergence wanted 04/02/2004 09:44:36so Kool
                              Re:Re: personal emergence wanted 04/02/2004 10:27:05nj
                                   Re:Re:Re: personal emergence wanted 04/02/2004 12:49:55ny
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re: personal emergence wanted 04/02/2004 20:13:51nj
     Re:Importance of Emergence04/02/2004 21:57:43Todd
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence05/02/2004 03:57:54Ryan Nagy
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence06/02/2004 21:21:44Pete West
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence05/02/2004 05:28:35nj
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence05/02/2004 22:07:30Todd
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence06/02/2004 03:45:24nj
          Re:Re:Importance of Emergence06/02/2004 20:53:14John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re Silliness of Emergence07/02/2004 04:19:02Zero cool
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence07/02/2004 07:16:40nj
               Re:Re:Re:Importance of Emergence18/02/2004 22:53:54Todd
               Red Tail Math and the Importance of Emergence19/02/2004 18:11:09Amilcar
                    Re:Red Tail Math and the Importance of Emergence19/02/2004 22:31:54nj

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