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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime
Posted by: e_lie
Date/Time: 31/05/2004 12:04:32

Clearer than mud Stephen1.  I appreciate your response, now let's see if I can't muck things up a bit...

Interesting to see a bit of thinking here along these lines. It seems to me that the practice of Non-Identification is inherent in all of Applied NLP. Meaning that it is Level Three Thinking ala Bateson. At least it means that to me. The metaphors of Non-Identification and of LVL III Thinking. Embodying them... I can teach you how to do an enormous amount of what I know how to do without words.

So is this thingified process [AKA a nominalization- thanks Amilcar] of which you speak, "Non-Identification", functionally equivalent to teaching someone, without using words in so doing, how to do an enormous amount of what you yourself know how to do?  In doing so, do you not, as a teacher, first have to 'identify' nonverbally with your actions, the physical actions that you are/will be teaching me, my accurate performance of which will allow me to susubsequently 'identify', albeit nonverbally, the skills that I will have learned how to do as you do?  A process can be codified other-than-verbally as you are well aware and some of those coding decisions can be nonverbally 'identified' as containing unsane and erroneous cause-effect relationships, agreed?  Consider the case of the preverbal human, who badly burns his hand on a heated stove element and subsequently develops a strong and generalized aversion with respect to stoves.  He gradually learns to 'identify' the conditions under which the stove can be safely approached under many circumstances and to 'identify' the conditions under which they are not to be touched by the unmitted hand.  Initially however, he has only a generalized and erroneous nonverbal cause-effect belief structure, the verbal equivalent being something like: "stoves hurt me".  Oh what the hell am I trying to say...? ...that the naming/identification/anchoring process happens on both verbal and nonverbal levels...that patterns of semantically ill-formed cause-effect associations occur nonverbally as well as verbally...what?

Aahhh skip it! (X-{>

e_lie




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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Applications: E-Prime27/12/2002 23:30:59Stephen
     Re:Applications: E-Prime28/12/2002 02:18:55John Grinder
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime28/12/2002 04:12:06Stephen
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime29/05/2004 13:36:39Richard
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Primehttp://www.nlpwhisperinginthewind.com/discussion/index.htm29/05/2004 22:33:21e_lie
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 23:13:08e_lie
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 23:32:21nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime05/06/2004 07:50:43e_lie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime05/06/2004 07:50:44e_lie
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 04:37:28nj
                              Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 05:48:18Greg Alexander
                                   Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 08:51:21e_lie
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 08:57:41e_lie
     Re:Applications: E-Prime29/05/2004 13:08:22e_lie
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime29/05/2004 21:54:14stephen
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 02:15:51e_lie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 13:31:05That Stephen
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 23:47:17e_lie
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 01:25:13Stephen Michael Hawley
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 12:04:32e_lie
                                        Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 14:45:51Greg Alexander
                                             Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime01/06/2004 03:03:37e_lie
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime01/06/2004 08:16:11Stephen Michael Hawley
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime01/06/2004 10:37:16e_lie
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime03/06/2004 18:10:35Stephen Michael Hawley
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 20:08:20Stephen Michael Hawley
                                   Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 23:55:29Greg Alexander
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 14:31:51Richard
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 14:56:56Stephen Michael Hawley
     Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 11:58:43Eric Robbie
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 13:46:27e_lie
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 14:16:33John Schertzer
               Re:Applications: E-Prime06/06/2004 13:47:13Greg Alexander
                    Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 02:50:36e_lie
                         Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 04:51:17Greg Alexander
                              Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 09:54:49e_lie
               Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid.07/06/2004 11:55:04Eric Robbie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid.07/06/2004 20:11:04Stephen Michael Hawley
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid - still11/06/2004 15:38:46Eric Robbie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid.08/06/2004 01:18:38e_lie

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