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Topic: Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid.
Posted by: Eric Robbie
Date/Time: 07/06/2004 11:55:04

Copular verbs do not invoke this association. Indulgence in "isness" has a tendency to bring with it the consequence of a rigid and dogmatic representation of 'reality'.

A tendency?


And is it always 'rigid'?

The fact that there are still people out there pushing (I almost said 'indulging') this e-prime bollocks is amazing.

Doesn't matter that almost all the linguistics readers, writers, thinkers, and scholars have looked at it, and said bollocks.

Doesn't matter that that it flies in the face of - well, almost all other philosophical, psychological, linguistics and deconstructionist analyses.

It's as if the people who still want to push e-prime (for very dubious reasons, it seems to me) have never heard of Wittgenstein, never heard of Derrida, never heard of the social construction of language.

And yet they still think there is something ground-breaking and useful in it!

And they don't seem to have read the most recent Chomsky either. One of the things he says is that (I paraphrase) there may just be simple understandings - like when I say "I painted the house brown", you know I mean the outside.

It may just be a given.

Consider what one of these e-prime promoters would do to a grand little classic:

Da Spring is sprung,
Da grass is riz.
I wonder where da boidies is?

Da boidies is upon the wing
- ain't that absoid?
I thought da wings was on the boid?

Now, e-prime pesterers, a small test:

1. When I say "the spring is sprung", do I mean it's permanent? Do I mean something has happened? Do I mean it's over?

2. "The grass is riz". Does that mean "is arisen"? "has arisen"? Is still in the state of having arisen? Indeed, is still rising?

Is not the effing stuff still not growing, even before our very eyes? You and I must know that - and yet the word IS doesn't stop our knowing, does it?

3. "I wonder where da boidies is?" Well, if they ain't here, where IS they?

Isness can be as temporary or as permanent AS THE CONTEXT MAKES CLEAR.

You don't need to be pruning language - you need lessons as to what IS usually going on, and "in which context?".

4. "Da boidies is upon the wing" - What? No metaphors either? God, you e-primers are a dull, joyless bunch.

5. "Dats absoid". And yes, yes! Is it always absoid?

In other words, is there no IS, nor even in your 'meta-language'? (You do beleive in a meta language, don't you?)

6. "Da wing is on da boid." Yes, and here, e-lie, whoever you are, can't give your own name - yes, IS is a copular verb. It is THE copluar verb. In this case, a copular verb with a complement of location. And the wings IS 'permanently' on the bird - until it dies, and decays, and falls apart, of course. Or else, like a stuffed, cooked chicken, we tear the wing off of it.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Applications: E-Prime27/12/2002 23:30:59Stephen
     Re:Applications: E-Prime28/12/2002 02:18:55John Grinder
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime28/12/2002 04:12:06Stephen
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime29/05/2004 13:36:39Richard
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime 22:33:21e_lie
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 23:13:08e_lie
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 23:32:21nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime05/06/2004 07:50:43e_lie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime05/06/2004 07:50:44e_lie
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 04:37:28nj
                              Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 05:48:18Greg Alexander
                                   Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 08:51:21e_lie
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 08:57:41e_lie
     Re:Applications: E-Prime29/05/2004 13:08:22e_lie
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime29/05/2004 21:54:14stephen
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 02:15:51e_lie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 13:31:05That Stephen
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 23:47:17e_lie
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 01:25:13Stephen Michael Hawley
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 12:04:32e_lie
                                        Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 14:45:51Greg Alexander
                                             Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime01/06/2004 03:03:37e_lie
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime01/06/2004 08:16:11Stephen Michael Hawley
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime01/06/2004 10:37:16e_lie
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime03/06/2004 18:10:35Stephen Michael Hawley
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 20:08:20Stephen Michael Hawley
                                   Re:Applications: E-Prime31/05/2004 23:55:29Greg Alexander
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 14:31:51Richard
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime30/05/2004 14:56:56Stephen Michael Hawley
     Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 11:58:43Eric Robbie
          Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 13:46:27e_lie
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime04/06/2004 14:16:33John Schertzer
               Re:Applications: E-Prime06/06/2004 13:47:13Greg Alexander
                    Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 02:50:36e_lie
                         Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 04:51:17Greg Alexander
                              Re:Re:Applications: E-Prime07/06/2004 09:54:49e_lie
               Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid.07/06/2004 11:55:04Eric Robbie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid.07/06/2004 20:11:04Stephen Michael Hawley
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid - still11/06/2004 15:38:46Eric Robbie
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:E-prime IS absoid.08/06/2004 01:18:38e_lie

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