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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP
Posted by: Lewis Walker
Date/Time: 20/12/2002 15:38:00

Hi John,

You wrote:"Is the Blindsight phenomenon a natural consequence of having two visual systems - foveal and peripheral? I had assumed that the person demosntrating blindsight behavior had the peripheral system intact or nearly so while the foveal system had been lost".

My references don't specifically mention foveal and peripheral vision, yet from a functional point of view this is what seems to be the case. The "what" pathway has visual associative connections which notice fine detail, discriminate between similar looking objects and help in the naming and labelling process - all of which seem key to foveal processing. The "how" pathway recognises location, direction, speed of movement etc, which we normally associate with peripheral vision.

Of course in most "normal" people, both pathways are acting simultaneously. The pathology of blindsight allows us to study the "how" pathway more independantly. I don't know of any cases with the reverse, though, i.e. intact "what" pathway and non-functioning "how" pathway. I'll search for that! The "what" pathway has approx 30 times more neurological connections and presumably dominates the overall perception of "outside" events.

I have been thinking about how this information might be useful in using visual anchors. In my experience, most people set these anchors too deliberately - with the consequent involvement of the other person's conscious mind - they notice what's happening! As I see it now, you can set these anchors with far more subtle movements that are outwith conscious awareness.

As an example...I often lay out the various choices my patients have in relation to the management of their conditions. I do this conversationally, marking out in a subtle way in the space around them whilst paying attention to their non-verbals of agreement or disagreement. Then I ask them what they want to do as I mark out the choice their unconscious has already made. Of course I have experimented with deliberately marking out a different choice and it's interesting how many people will actually go along with that! (Obviously ethics are involved here).

Studying the processes involved in the blindsight phenomonen has really helped me personally to get my message across to patients in a more elegantly persuasive way.



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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Changing with New Code NLP09/12/2002 13:55:48Michael Carroll
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP09/12/2002 22:41:01thepropagandist
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP11/12/2002 01:33:51Louisea Marnie
          Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP14/12/2002 13:25:32Michael Carroll
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP11/12/2002 01:57:36Zig
          ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP12/12/2002 19:49:54kc
               Re:ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP09/03/2003 19:18:51Gary Ludewig
                    Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP10/03/2003 02:38:57John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP15/12/2002 23:20:13Lewis Walker
          Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 00:08:31Michael Carroll
               Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 07:52:01Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 18:08:34John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 15:38:00Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 17:47:05John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 18:53:27Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 22:16:41Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 16:05:26Jon Edwards
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 19:27:45John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP21/12/2002 11:55:12Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP21/12/2002 14:03:10Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP22/12/2002 21:27:55Lewis Walker
                                   Alphabet Game Online04/02/2003 23:38:37Rob Manson
                                        Alphabet Game Offline05/02/2003 01:15:18Rob Manson
                                             Re:Alphabet Game Offline05/02/2003 19:33:10John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline10/03/2003 23:35:01anarchaist
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline12/03/2003 02:32:47John Grinder
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline17/03/2003 15:11:14Anarkissed
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP27/04/2003 21:04:22david
               Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP23/12/2002 22:38:09thepropagandist
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP24/12/2002 00:28:15Stephen
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP04/02/2003 17:09:33tornado

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