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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP
Posted by: Jon Edwards
Date/Time: 21/12/2002 14:03:10

Hi John and Lewis,

Thankyou both for your very useful feedback (and to Michael for the original article).

Lewis, I take your point about the limitations of approaching such issues at an intellectual level, but I too am limited by not having easy access to a coach/observer when experimenting - if you're ever up in Sheffield, let's meet up and play some games!

Inspired by this thread, I bought some juggling balls and a simple manual last week, and have been experimenting/learning since. I've also recently been using techniques like meditation and image-streaming, to build a better relationship with my unconscious ...and generally paying more attention to the states I'm in day-to-day (driving is a good one for me!)

On an intellectual level, I'm trying to draw out the variables that differentiate these "altered states" from "normal" states, and from each other - hence noticing the variables that might "make the difference" in the Alphabet Game.

So far, I'm only competent with the basic exercises of juggling, but I take your point about the utility of the comfortable/competent state. In fact, I wonder if within the "comfort zone" (from "dead-easy" to "on the edge of competence"), there might be several useful states to anchor? I'd also like to anchor that "playful-but-fascinated-learning" state that comes between the "edge of competence" and your "YES YES YES!!" state.

Could you expand a little on how you might use a sliding anchor to "capture" these states (I'm fairly new to NLP)? I've been doing some guided meditation techniques, where when you achieve a certain state (clear-mind for example), you ask your unconscious to give you a symbol (picture, word/phrase, feeling) to represent the state and recall it later. Is that a similar idea?

Thanks for the story about your patient, reminds me of some of the "tasking" stories in "The Teaching Tales of Milton Eriksson" which I'm currently reading.

Since reading John's reply about the important variables in a New Code game, my mind has been buzzing! I have a few tentative ideas (on which I'd very much appreciate your feedback), and a further question. The question first -

"How random is random?" - in the Alphabet Game, the initial pattern of linked letters and actions is generated randomly, but as the player passes through it several times, it is fixed (for the duration of that game) - giving the mind a chance to (unconsciously) learn the pattern. Is that a deliberate design-decision (giving the brain's pattern-recognition/learning circuits a work-out), or just a necessary limitation of the format? Would there be advantages if you could generate completely random stimuli?

And a couple of initial ideas, thinking aloud -

1. Taking juggling as an excellent start-point, how can we build-in other variables?

There are many different "patterns" of juggling. Once you were confident in 3 or more, and could switch between them without stopping, you could use some external stimuli as a signal to switch. For example, you could have the TV/Radio playing in the background, and associate certain trigger-words to certain patterns - so whenever somebody said the word "but", you switch to Pattern 3... and so on. You'd want to change those trigger-words each time you played.

If you're using different-coloured balls, you could setup some random external timer, and everytime it fires, you have to say aloud the colour of the ball in your right hand?

2. It should be possible to build a computer program that flashes onscreen random numbers, colours, words, letters, pictures, or combinations thereof. Then you'd use that as the stimulus for movements, verbalisations, etc.

If we knew someone really clever, we could link-up various monitoring devices (heart-rate, blood pressure, etc) with realtime onscreen indicators, while you're playing the game, to give you clues as to when you are achieving the high-performance state!

Hope that's helpful, all feedback gratefully received!

Cheers, Jon

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Changing with New Code NLP09/12/2002 13:55:48Michael Carroll
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP09/12/2002 22:41:01thepropagandist
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP11/12/2002 01:33:51Louisea Marnie
          Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP14/12/2002 13:25:32Michael Carroll
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP11/12/2002 01:57:36Zig
          ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP12/12/2002 19:49:54kc
               Re:ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP09/03/2003 19:18:51Gary Ludewig
                    Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP10/03/2003 02:38:57John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP15/12/2002 23:20:13Lewis Walker
          Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 00:08:31Michael Carroll
               Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 07:52:01Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 18:08:34John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 15:38:00Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 17:47:05John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 18:53:27Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 22:16:41Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 16:05:26Jon Edwards
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 19:27:45John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP21/12/2002 11:55:12Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP21/12/2002 14:03:10Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP22/12/2002 21:27:55Lewis Walker
                                   Alphabet Game Online04/02/2003 23:38:37Rob Manson
                                        Alphabet Game Offline05/02/2003 01:15:18Rob Manson
                                             Re:Alphabet Game Offline05/02/2003 19:33:10John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline10/03/2003 23:35:01anarchaist
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline12/03/2003 02:32:47John Grinder
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline17/03/2003 15:11:14Anarkissed
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP27/04/2003 21:04:22david
               Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP23/12/2002 22:38:09thepropagandist
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP24/12/2002 00:28:15Stephen
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP04/02/2003 17:09:33tornado

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