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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP
Posted by: Lewis Walker
Date/Time: 20/12/2002 22:16:41

Hi John,

Ref for Blindsight:

An excellent chapter in Phantoms in the Brain, V.S Ramachandran. He is a neurologist/neuroscientist who presents neurological pathways and functions by case history.  He cites Dr Larry Weiskrantz as the original investigator. As an aside Ramachandran has a fascinating take on curing phantom limb pain - with a cardboard box and a mirror!

Mapping the Mind, by Rita Carter uses state of the art scanning techniques to help explain aspects of behaviour. She has a few pages on blindsight showing that on fMRI scans visual cortex area V5 lights up in blindsight whereas V1, the primary sensory area for normal sight is inactive - so Carmen is right. Carter is more of an educated lay person read than a scientific tome yet I got a lot of really good information from her.

Re spatial mapping:

I first learned about giving 3 choices and calibrating to non-verbal yes-sets from John Overdurf and Julie Silverthorn's tapes. I learned about spatial anchors in persuasion from Carmine Baffa (covertly) and then Tom Vizzini (overtly - made a lot more sense to me). In between times I watched Derren Brown, a UK based "psychological magician" who had a series of mind control programmes on TV. He was very subtle in getting subjects to choose whatever he wanted them to choose in casual conversation by fixing their attention and gesturing in peripheral vision. I ran videos over and over to get his patterns and practiced what he did. However, all of this was really conscious mind modelling on my part and to be honest my skills are still pretty rudimentary (and hit or miss!)in comparison to your diamond dealer and yourself. If anyone should have their name added to this pattern it should be one of the aforementioned highly skilled individuals who have demonstrated unconscious competence!

The above though is a lesson to me regarding the differences between conscious and unconscious modelling. I assume you became the diamond dealer, waited until you demonstrated competency then explicated the pattern. Whereas I laboriously went over Derren Brown's actions consciously attempting to "understand" what he did before trying it out...with varying results. You live and learn!



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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Changing with New Code NLP09/12/2002 13:55:48Michael Carroll
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP09/12/2002 22:41:01thepropagandist
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP11/12/2002 01:33:51Louisea Marnie
          Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP14/12/2002 13:25:32Michael Carroll
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP11/12/2002 01:57:36Zig
          ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP12/12/2002 19:49:54kc
               Re:ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP09/03/2003 19:18:51Gary Ludewig
                    Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:Changing with New Code NLP10/03/2003 02:38:57John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
     Re:Changing with New Code NLP15/12/2002 23:20:13Lewis Walker
          Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 00:08:31Michael Carroll
               Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 07:52:01Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP19/12/2002 18:08:34John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 15:38:00Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 17:47:05John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 18:53:27Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 22:16:41Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 16:05:26Jon Edwards
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP20/12/2002 19:27:45John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP21/12/2002 11:55:12Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP21/12/2002 14:03:10Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP22/12/2002 21:27:55Lewis Walker
                                   Alphabet Game Online04/02/2003 23:38:37Rob Manson
                                        Alphabet Game Offline05/02/2003 01:15:18Rob Manson
                                             Re:Alphabet Game Offline05/02/2003 19:33:10John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline10/03/2003 23:35:01anarchaist
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline12/03/2003 02:32:47John Grinder
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Alphabet Game Offline17/03/2003 15:11:14Anarkissed
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP27/04/2003 21:04:22david
               Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP23/12/2002 22:38:09thepropagandist
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Changing with New Code NLP24/12/2002 00:28:15Stephen
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