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Topic: Neuro-logical levels
Posted by: GSM
Date/Time: 17/12/2003 12:42:44

I don't know if Robert Dilts has responded to the comments in Whispering yet, but here's an interesting summary of his model:

http://nlpuniversitypress.com/html2/N32.html

"The model suggests different types of neurological organisation, that mobilize successively deeper commitments of neurological 'circuitry'."

I'm not sure what this means specifically or how?  Perhaps this is meant in theory (speculation) rather than presumed a fact of some sort of activity and systems operating.  The questions raised hear using the Whipsering model are:  What are the potential benefits of the f2 transforms presupposed in the neurological model (in contrast to the disadvantages)?

Then we have the levels:
1.  Environment :  information coming from our sense organs and peripheral nervous system, responsible for producing sensations and purely reflex actions - akin to f1 transforms.

2.  Behavior : activity in the motor systems (the pyramidal system and cerebellum), non-reflexive behaviours involving the psychomotor system (which co-ordinates physical actions and conscious movement) and is deeper than just the activity of the sense organs in 1 - perhaps FA.


3.  Capabilities :  Mental maps and strategies used to guide behaviors - akin to f2 transforms feed-forward process.
Some behaviours that reflexively (knee jerk reactions, habits or rituals) respond to environmental stimuli are not part of this category.  This is behavior stimulated by internal mental maps.  VAK maps, memories and imagination.   This is the cability to select, alter and adapt classes of behaviour within varying conditions.  This neuro-logical level uses the cortex (higher-level processing) to represent sensory information in the form of mental maps and associations.  Includes semi-conscious micro movements, accessing cues (eye movments, voice tone, posturing, breathing rate changes). 

4.  Values and Beliefs :  Judgements and evaluations that are used to provide reinforcement (motivation and permission) to support and inhibit both categories - Behaviours and Capabilties.  Perhaps f2 transforms of other f2 transforms, feed-forward process (via deletion, distortion and generlations).  They are association with the lymbic system and hypothalamus in the mid brain (pain/punishing and pleasure/rewarding responses), linked to emotion and long-term memory.  The lymbic system integrates the cortex and autonomic nervous system.  Beliefs change fundamental physiological processes that operate unconscious responses (heart rate, skin tingle etc..).  Example of beliefs powerful effect is the placebo effect.

5.  Identity :  Perception of our identity that organises the categories - Beliefs, Capabilities and Behaviours and in relation to larger systems other than ourselves (role, purpose etc..).  Perhaps f2 transforms of f2 transforms of f2 transforms  - More deletion, distortion and generalisations that feed-forward.  Association with whole nervous system and deep structures like reticular formation (regulator of state of alertness - projects via thalamic nuclei to large association areas in the cortex), immune system, endocrine system and deep life sustaining functions.  Change in identity can have signficant transformation on physiology (research on Mulit-personalities). 

6.  Spiritual - sense of being part of something beyond ourselves.  More f2 transforms of f2 transforms x over.  Relational field between our nervous system and other people.


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Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 12:42:44GSM
     Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 14:56:30Anthony
     Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 15:14:03GSM
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 17:58:10John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 18:58:39GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 19:37:32John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 16:43:32Stephen Bray
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 16:49:11GSM
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 19:51:12Stephen Bray
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 21:48:09John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 04:53:33Todd
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:12:46John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 09:09:45nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:34:08John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 07:46:40Stephen Bray
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 14:57:22John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:28:55GSM
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 14:50:35John Schertzer
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                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:36:48John Schertzer
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:47:24GSM
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 16:29:32John Schertzer
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                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 18:58:28John Schertzer
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                                                  representing rocks03/01/2004 20:40:49Amilcar
                                                       Re:representing rocks04/01/2004 16:48:02John Grinder
                                                       Re:representing rocks05/01/2004 12:04:45GSM
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 22:31:47GSM
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:22:20Pete West
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:47:04GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 18:24:47John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 03:04:27Pete West
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:17:46John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:47:16GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 21:16:10Kate Sheffers
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 22:22:33John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:20:16Kate
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 21:48:12John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:22:47GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:36:40nj
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:46:56GSM
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 20:06:07nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:30:09Kate
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:26:21Kate
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                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 22:11:34nj
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                                   Heterarchy03/01/2004 21:55:07Amilkar
                                        Re:Heterarchy05/01/2004 03:09:59nj
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy06/01/2004 00:00:01Amilcar
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Heterarchy07/01/2004 18:00:55nj
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy26/07/2004 05:58:59nj
                                        Re:Heterarchy05/01/2004 16:42:44John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy - now categories05/01/2004 23:22:48Amilcar
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 03:43:51nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:39:06kate
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 14:03:45Susan Landon
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                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 21:35:23Lewis Walker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 03:34:10Spike
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 12:55:24Lewis Walker
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 17:07:49Spike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 17:57:43Lewis Walker
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 18:51:59John Grinder
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 20:21:26Lewis Walker
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels24/12/2003 19:07:14John Grinder
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels24/12/2003 21:38:43Lewis Walker
     Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 01:26:45nj
     Re:Neuro-logical levels26/07/2004 11:14:21John Grinder
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels27/07/2004 09:33:31GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels27/07/2004 22:47:41John Grinder

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