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Topic: representing rocks
Posted by: Amilcar
Date/Time: 03/01/2004 20:40:49

JS wrote: "If my first experience with the rock" . .  did you notice you're use of the word "the" instead of "a"? I take from that when you 'represent' that specific rock later, you'll have that specific rock indexed as the one that gave you that experience (pain/pressure) at that time at that place (on the floor/ground). Whether you'd later remember which specific rock it was may be doubtful -if someone moved it for instance.

Assuming it's really your first experience with a rock, i doubt that you'd be developmentally able to create such a representation as that specific 'rock' and hold it stable. Assuming that you were at that age where you could make and hold a representation of (this 'rock'[=pain/pressure]), would this specific experience influence and color the rest of your experiences with other 'rock'(s)? How many other experiences with rocks would it take to dilute that one assocation (this 'rock' [=pain/pressure] to these 'rocks')? When and if you do dilute that association, is it because you just have a 'group of hard things' or have you created the category/class 'rock'?

However if you were a rock climber and this was your first time on a particular mountain, we'd be asking a slightly different set of questions.

A baby won't be able to make the distinction between the 'rock' and the 'ground' until it is able to grasp the rock as independent of the ground. In other words the baby has to differentiate between (make a category/class of) what's part of the floor/ground and what's not (balls, couches, etc). Of course things get a little grey as the baby might think that part of the rug is part of the floor because he/she can't move it because the couch is on it, or because it's just too heavy and don't have the motor skills or muscle strength necessary to move the rug.

Of course associations slice-and-dice (abstract)! The question i pose would be in what way do you slice and dice that experience (how do you filter, store & retrieve information). As an adult, i can get playfully hit in the face or dis-respected depending on what my significant other intends with her action (and whether i accept that interpretation), and i can re-interpret it before or after i store it in memory.

So GSM, perception 'is' continuous until the mind (pre-linguistic/natural partitions and linguistic/artificial partitions) creates categories to divvy up the world. However, once one of those 'natural partitions' are made, they're not continuous anymore. Rather these natural and artificial partitions are points of discontinuity where our brain differentiates between objects. We still percieve/sense continuously, but what we sense gets divvied and filed much like change getting sorted in a machine or a running river breaking its stride into two streams.

A question about deleting, generalizing and distorting in relation to natural partitions (for both GSM and JS):

Do you think natural partitions categories such as 'not part of the ground floor' or 'red') delete, generalize and distort? and if so, or not so, what do they (or don't they) delete, generalize and distort?

Hopefully cogent

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Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 12:42:44GSM
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     Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 15:14:03GSM
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 17:58:10John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 18:58:39GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 19:37:32John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 16:43:32Stephen Bray
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 16:49:11GSM
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 19:51:12Stephen Bray
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                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 04:53:33Todd
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:12:46John Schertzer
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:34:08John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 07:46:40Stephen Bray
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 14:57:22John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:28:55GSM
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 14:50:35John Schertzer
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                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:36:48John Schertzer
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:47:24GSM
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 16:29:32John Schertzer
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 17:52:16GSM
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 18:58:28John Schertzer
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                                                  representing rocks03/01/2004 20:40:49Amilcar
                                                       Re:representing rocks04/01/2004 16:48:02John Grinder
                                                       Re:representing rocks05/01/2004 12:04:45GSM
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 22:31:47GSM
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:22:20Pete West
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:47:04GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 18:24:47John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 03:04:27Pete West
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:17:46John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:47:16GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 21:16:10Kate Sheffers
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 22:22:33John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:20:16Kate
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 21:48:12John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:22:47GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:36:40nj
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:46:56GSM
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 20:06:07nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:30:09Kate
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:26:21Kate
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:49:44GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 22:11:34nj
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                                   Heterarchy03/01/2004 21:55:07Amilkar
                                        Re:Heterarchy05/01/2004 03:09:59nj
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy06/01/2004 00:00:01Amilcar
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Heterarchy07/01/2004 18:00:55nj
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy26/07/2004 05:58:59nj
                                        Re:Heterarchy05/01/2004 16:42:44John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy - now categories05/01/2004 23:22:48Amilcar
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 03:43:51nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:39:06kate
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 14:03:45Susan Landon
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 17:52:01spike
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 21:35:23Lewis Walker
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 12:55:24Lewis Walker
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 17:07:49Spike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 17:57:43Lewis Walker
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 18:51:59John Grinder
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 20:21:26Lewis Walker
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels24/12/2003 19:07:14John Grinder
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels24/12/2003 21:38:43Lewis Walker
     Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 01:26:45nj
     Re:Neuro-logical levels26/07/2004 11:14:21John Grinder
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels27/07/2004 09:33:31GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels27/07/2004 22:47:41John Grinder
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