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Topic: Re:Re:Heterarchy
Posted by: Amilcar
Date/Time: 06/01/2004 00:00:01

NJ: thank you for your input. However, i was not assuming, nor do i have the notion that i was talking about behaviors. I was talking about thoughts (yes, a specific type of behaving).

When i was questioning whether something can be classified under two of Dilt's 'logical levels' i was referring more specifically to whether a thought/statement is classified according to its content (insert reflective gasp! here). trying to clean that up, i may think that Dilt's model deals with content in that it tries to explore the relationship(s) between different kinds of content, albeit abstract relations between logical types as in 'environment' and 'behavior' versus perceptual relations in terms of prepositional phrases. Could this be a kind of syntax of the belief system and not the sentences themselves? Okay, that's overdoing it.

Example: in terms of the thought/statement "i will go to the store" we have notions of identity-I, belief-will, capability&behavior-go; and environment-store. This is the kind of thinking that i am thinking of (but it seems that i wasn't talking about) instead of your interpretation that i was thinking/writing of behavior. If a person performs the behavior of going to the store, then i think that Dilt's 'logical levels' would be moot and irrelevant, as i agree with JG & CBSC when they say that the domain of NLP covers representations, i.e. not behaviors.

Unfortunately, it seems that my basketball metaphor wasn't successful in explicating the relationship between the actions/behavior of the players and the thoughts of the logical levels. I was trying to get across the notion that just as a player in a game can perform behaviors classified in the domain of different players (point guard in a jump-ball instead of a tip-off) so can a thought be classified under two of Dilt's 'logical levels' (see my reply to JG, the example of "i can X"). I'm sorry that i wasn't explicit enough about this point to keep you from mixing the content of the metaphor with the structure of my argument - i.e. you thought i was talking about behaviors.

In reference to your propositions in general:
Sorry that i'm not perceptive enough, but i don't find a meaningful difference between proposition 6 and 7. Nor would i argue for either proposition 6, 7 or two because i wasn't talking about behavior/behaving, i was talking about thought/thinking.

I would like to respond to my own hypothetical question :) to which you reply "It's true that the act of believing can be said to be a behavior, but product of believing, a belief, is abstract from any agent, regardless of what agent the belief mentions". To this i would smirkingly ask: could you point to me a belief that is abstract (separate?) from a believer? I'd smirkingly ask this because if i'm not mistaken that this would be a violation of the meta-model distinction lost performative. But in the context of me pointing it out it's really a rhetorical question and point, please don't respond to it.


PS: i'm starting to think this whole argument is moot since i realized i may thinking about 'content' and not 'structure'/'process' as some of my issues/questions revolve around Dilt's 'logical level' classifications and not the process of classification itself. . . Homeresque "Doh!"

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                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels17/12/2003 19:37:32John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 16:43:32Stephen Bray
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                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 19:51:12Stephen Bray
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                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 04:53:33Todd
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                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 07:46:40Stephen Bray
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 14:57:22John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:28:55GSM
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 14:50:35John Schertzer
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                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:36:48John Schertzer
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 15:47:24GSM
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 16:29:32John Schertzer
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 17:52:16GSM
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 18:58:28John Schertzer
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                                                  representing rocks03/01/2004 20:40:49Amilcar
                                                       Re:representing rocks04/01/2004 16:48:02John Grinder
                                                       Re:representing rocks05/01/2004 12:04:45GSM
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels18/12/2003 22:31:47GSM
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:22:20Pete West
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 12:47:04GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 18:24:47John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 03:04:27Pete West
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:17:46John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 20:47:16GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 21:16:10Kate Sheffers
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 22:22:33John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:20:16Kate
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 21:48:12John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:22:47GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:36:40nj
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 10:46:56GSM
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:30:09Kate
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:26:21Kate
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:49:44GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 22:11:34nj
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                                   Heterarchy03/01/2004 21:55:07Amilkar
                                        Re:Heterarchy05/01/2004 03:09:59nj
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy06/01/2004 00:00:01Amilcar
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Heterarchy07/01/2004 18:00:55nj
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy26/07/2004 05:58:59nj
                                        Re:Heterarchy05/01/2004 16:42:44John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Heterarchy - now categories05/01/2004 23:22:48Amilcar
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels20/12/2003 03:43:51nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 13:39:06kate
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels21/12/2003 14:03:45Susan Landon
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 12:55:24Lewis Walker
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 17:57:43Lewis Walker
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 18:51:59John Grinder
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels22/12/2003 20:21:26Lewis Walker
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels24/12/2003 19:07:14John Grinder
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels24/12/2003 21:38:43Lewis Walker
     Re:Neuro-logical levels19/12/2003 01:26:45nj
     Re:Neuro-logical levels26/07/2004 11:14:21John Grinder
          Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels27/07/2004 09:33:31GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Neuro-logical levels27/07/2004 22:47:41John Grinder
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