| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics |
| Posted by: | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| Date/Time: | 04/01/2003 11:23:38 |
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The problem with the scientific studies you refer to in the other tread may be of course that the setup of the experiment may not be completely correct according to the NLP body of knowledge. In a scientific field, some credibilkle researcher would take up articles such as those you quote, examine them and point out the flaws in the study (if there are any). So your response is the typical scientific reflex, namely asking: "what does the NLP community have to say about that?" Given that the NLP community didn't do its homework, that is taken to mean "see, they can't prove it, that NLP stuff is just pseudo-science rubbish." Not that we couldn't prove it if we wanted... Actually, in "Whispering" you find a good way of dealing with such studies: see discussion op page 80-81 about verification of a pattern. Unfortunately for NLP's credibility, there haven't been enough verification studies done of the kind of this example, and certainly not a lot published in respected peer reviewed publications. My interpretation (I hope John Grinder will either confirm it or refute it) is that the original modelers went from "statistical research is difficult" to an arrogant way of thinking, something like "we can't be bothered with such details. We know what we know and if they don't want to believe us, they are just stupid". And as you can interpret from my mails, I don't agree that we as a communite "can't be bothered", quite on the contrary: "that the modeler would set up statistical sound studies to back up their models" is my addition to the recommendations for the modeler/designer (see "Whispering" p 350-355). Even if those statistical studies are not a complete representation of what goes on in the brain, at least if increases the credibility that NLP helps to understand something of what is going on between stimulus and response. Patrick www.merlevede.biz |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| NLP & statistics | 02/01/2003 10:42:12 | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| Re:NLP & statistics | 02/01/2003 11:27:47 | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 04/01/2003 08:44:24 | Bruce |
| Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 04/01/2003 11:23:38 | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| Re:NLP & statistics | 04/01/2003 18:33:09 | Bruce |
| Re:NLP & statistics | 05/01/2003 17:23:40 | John Grinder |
| Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 06/01/2003 07:47:18 | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 17/01/2003 19:46:21 | John Grinder |
| NLP & statistics | 18/01/2003 00:16:31 | suzyhomemaker |
| Re:NLP & statistics | 18/01/2003 04:03:44 | John Grinder |
| Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 18/01/2003 23:03:27 | Robert |
| Re:NLP & statistics | 09/02/2003 12:10:24 | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| 27/02/2003 02:28:33 | Ryan Nagy | |
| NLP/statistics/dynamic systems | 27/02/2003 02:33:32 | Ryan Nagy |
| Re:NLP/statistics/dynamic systems | 03/03/2003 06:53:34 | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| Re:Re:NLP/statistics/dynamic systems | 04/03/2003 17:45:19 | Ryan Nagy |
| Re:Re:NLP/statistics/dynamic systems | 04/03/2003 22:09:54 | John Grinder |
| A statistical model of elegance and diffusion | 21/01/2003 03:19:20 | Rob Manson |
| Re:A statistical model of elegance and diffusion | 21/01/2003 04:16:48 | John Grinder |
| Re:Re:A statistical model of elegance and diffusion | 21/01/2003 10:55:06 | Rob Manson |
| Re:Re:Re:A statistical model of elegance and diffusion | 21/01/2003 17:22:38 | John Grinder |
| The genetics analogy | 21/01/2003 11:54:19 | Rob Manson |
| Re:The genetics analogy | 22/01/2003 04:27:46 | John Grinder |
| Re:Re:The genetics analogy | 22/01/2003 05:35:59 | Rob Manson |
| Re:The genetics analogy | 22/01/2003 04:27:48 | John Grinder |
| Re:The genetics analogy | 22/01/2003 04:27:53 | John Grinder |
| Re:The genetics analogy. topic: Solutions to Puzzles/Recommendations | 22/01/2003 05:53:24 | nj |
| Re:Re:The genetics analogy. topic: Solutions to Puzzles/Recommendations | 22/01/2003 07:39:41 | Rob Manson |
| Re:Re:Re:The genetics analogy. topic: Solutions to Puzzles/Recommendations | 22/01/2003 17:24:09 | John Grinder |
| Re:Modelling vs Analysis | 22/01/2003 23:16:12 | Rob Manson |
| The genetics analogy | 21/01/2003 11:55:16 | Rob Manson |
| Re:NLP & statistics | 24/01/2003 06:49:17 | Mike |
| Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 24/01/2003 16:39:35 | John Grinder |
| Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 24/01/2003 17:25:03 | Mike |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 24/01/2003 18:26:08 | John Grinder |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics | 28/01/2003 20:04:54 | Mike |