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Topic: Re:NLP & statistics
Posted by: Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (
Date/Time: 09/02/2003 12:10:24

Sorry I left a "unaswerd mail" - I didn't feel there really was a question, but I want to reply anyway, especially since john Grinder replies to you he has a similar response to yours.

you wrote:
"if you do that then once it jumps through all of sciences hoops the field will come out mutated into something other that what the field really is"

That's not what I think.  For me NLP style modeling (2nd position + analytical modeling combined) based on 3 examplars may result in a "pattern" in NLP-speak, but it only delivers a "hypothesis" from a "scientific map of the world" (whether it is psychology, sociology or medicine).  According to my experience, if such a "hypothesis" (NLP model) is valid, it shouldn't be too difficult to do a more extensive follow up study (which is where the statistics come in).

In other words: the NLP modeling remains the same (I reframe is as great "hypothesis formulating tools", I only add parts after it (where most NLPers tend to stop).  By adding these extensions (and using statistics) where most NLP projects now end, you can gain scientific credibility.

That's where it stops for me as far as NLP is concerned.  For jobEQ we went farther (but I'm not calling that "NLP") - we found we just need to ask 3 "exemplars" to fill out an iWAM questionnaire (+ 3 counter examples) and find useful distinctions (which can be validated doing "NLP-style" meta-progarm elicitation).  Personally, I couldn't care less that that application won't be considered NLP - I won't sell anything more if it would (given NLP'es current reputation, you'll notice that the word NLP is almost absent from the entire jobEQ website - we felt it was better not to be assocated with NLP, and won't mention NLP unless we notice that the customer has a postive experience with NLP)


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
NLP & statistics02/01/2003 10:42:12Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (
     Re:NLP & statistics02/01/2003 11:27:47Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (
          Re:Re:NLP & statistics04/01/2003 08:44:24Bruce
               Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics04/01/2003 11:23:38Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (
     Re:NLP & statistics04/01/2003 18:33:09Bruce
     Re:NLP & statistics05/01/2003 17:23:40John Grinder
          Re:Re:NLP & statistics06/01/2003 07:47:18Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (
               Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics17/01/2003 19:46:21John Grinder
               NLP & statistics18/01/2003 00:16:31suzyhomemaker
                    Re:NLP & statistics18/01/2003 04:03:44John Grinder
                         Re:Re:NLP & statistics18/01/2003 23:03:27Robert
                    Re:NLP & statistics09/02/2003 12:10:24Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (
               27/02/2003 02:28:33Ryan Nagy
               NLP/statistics/dynamic systems27/02/2003 02:33:32Ryan Nagy
                    Re:NLP/statistics/dynamic systems03/03/2003 06:53:34Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (
                         Re:Re:NLP/statistics/dynamic systems04/03/2003 17:45:19Ryan Nagy
                         Re:Re:NLP/statistics/dynamic systems04/03/2003 22:09:54John Grinder
          A statistical model of elegance and diffusion21/01/2003 03:19:20Rob Manson
               Re:A statistical model of elegance and diffusion21/01/2003 04:16:48John Grinder
                    Re:Re:A statistical model of elegance and diffusion21/01/2003 10:55:06Rob Manson
                         Re:Re:Re:A statistical model of elegance and diffusion21/01/2003 17:22:38John Grinder
                    The genetics analogy21/01/2003 11:54:19Rob Manson
                         Re:The genetics analogy22/01/2003 04:27:46John Grinder
                              Re:Re:The genetics analogy22/01/2003 05:35:59Rob Manson
                         Re:The genetics analogy22/01/2003 04:27:48John Grinder
                         Re:The genetics analogy22/01/2003 04:27:53John Grinder
                         Re:The genetics analogy. topic: Solutions to Puzzles/Recommendations22/01/2003 05:53:24nj
                              Re:Re:The genetics analogy. topic: Solutions to Puzzles/Recommendations22/01/2003 07:39:41Rob Manson
                                   Re:Re:Re:The genetics analogy. topic: Solutions to Puzzles/Recommendations22/01/2003 17:24:09John Grinder
                                        Re:Modelling vs Analysis22/01/2003 23:16:12Rob Manson
                    The genetics analogy21/01/2003 11:55:16Rob Manson
     Re:NLP & statistics24/01/2003 06:49:17Mike
          Re:Re:NLP & statistics24/01/2003 16:39:35John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics24/01/2003 17:25:03Mike
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics24/01/2003 18:26:08John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP & statistics28/01/2003 20:04:54Mike

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