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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)
Posted by: Jon Edwards
Date/Time: 24/10/2003 14:32:05

Hi Todd

Thanks for your continuing thought experimentation!

I'd say that using metaphor-as-reflection potentially combines some of the qualities of the meta-model and reframing. You're helping them understand/clarify the structure/form of the map they've created, which may also lead them to moving up a level

1. You are confirming your understanding of what they're presenting (or giving them a chance to clarify), which in itself can be quite beneficial - sometimes all we need is for someone to hear and understand us! This is similar to paraphrasing your understanding of the content back to the client - mentioned in JG/CB's Verbal Package (the New Code refinement/update of the Meta-Model).

2. There's a kind of dissociation. If the patient has a phobia of fish and you use a metaphor of grains of sand, you help them to work with the structure/form of the problem, without the direct emotional associations. I think this is one of the major benefits of the Symbolic Modelling approach (from the "Metaphors in Mind" book you mentioned in another post).

3. Further to 2, there's a possibility to elicit different, more positive associations. If they love football and you use a football metaphor, you're associating a more resourceful state to the structure of the problem. It might be even more ethical/effective to ask them to create their own metaphor? "If this was a football match, what would the situation be?"

4. As mentioned previously, you're offering a second description - a new perspective.

5. You may move them implicitly towards a process that will help to resolve the problem. For example, if you tell them the story of the six blind men feeling the elephant and each describing it as a different animal, you both describe the form of their problem (their decription is made up of small unconnected chunks) and imply a process that may help solve it (combine the chunks, or somehow get a bigger picture)

Perhaps the "resonance" you mentioned is a function of the combination of these factors, and especially of 1. and 3. - how accurately the metaphor reflects the form of their problem, and how much it associates a more resourceful state to that form?

Process is content if you move up a level... and so on ad infinitum. But, in a therapeutic context we have a start-point which is the content that the client is presenting to us as their problem - that becomes our baseline, our Level 1 (for the duration of the session). We can work on that level to help the client examine/clarify their map (using for example, meta-model, or metaphor-as-reflection), which will sometimes be enough to allow the client to solve their own problem. Or we can move up to Level 2 (relative to the client's Level 1) to work with the processes used to create content on Level 1.

I think an important point is that the type of hierarchy of levels we use is of the same type as Bateson's Levels of Learning - i.e. the criteria defining a higher level is that it consists of the set of processes which can be used to produce the things at the lower level (in our case, the processes used to create the client's current map of the problem-context and those which could be used to create different maps).

I'm kinda thinking that the New Code games give a third option - to move down a level (Level 0?), closer to the original stimuli from which the client created their problemmatic map, associating a highly-resourceful state (with a sprinkle of know-nothingness inside) to them, so that next time the client encounters those stimuli they will create a new map (or perhaps, operate without a map!). But that's a "thought in progress" and I'm not sure if it fits with the logical levels model!

Cheers, Jon

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
ethics17/10/2003 16:41:45Matt Ross
     Re:ethics17/10/2003 16:56:56Michael Carroll
          Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 01:10:09Matt
               Re:Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 04:12:58Todd Sloane
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 13:10:13Matt
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 16:42:58Todd
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 22:49:40matt
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics19/10/2003 03:56:33Todd
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics20/10/2003 23:42:57matt
     Re:ethics17/10/2003 18:26:11nj
          Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 13:14:00Matt
               Re:Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 17:01:52Todd
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 20:41:21matt
               Re:Re:Re:ethics20/10/2003 22:38:54nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics20/10/2003 23:41:42matt
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics20/10/2003 23:53:04nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics21/10/2003 15:59:14matt
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics21/10/2003 19:51:25nj
          Re:Re:ethics18/10/2003 13:26:11matt
               Re:Re:Re:ethics22/10/2003 00:30:08John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics22/10/2003 04:26:57matt
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics22/10/2003 13:33:34Tim Bray
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics22/10/2003 14:44:38Eric Bollinger
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics22/10/2003 16:09:03Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics22/10/2003 16:59:15Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)23/10/2003 03:13:46Todd
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)23/10/2003 03:56:16carrie
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)23/10/2003 22:07:33nj
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)23/10/2003 13:56:46Jon Edwards
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)23/10/2003 16:35:58carrie
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)23/10/2003 17:35:48John Grinder
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)24/10/2003 00:21:58carrie
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)24/10/2003 08:27:37John Grinder
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)29/10/2003 02:23:16matt ross
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)29/10/2003 21:33:46Dan
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)24/10/2003 03:33:31Todd
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)24/10/2003 13:47:49carrie
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)24/10/2003 03:47:34Todd
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)24/10/2003 14:32:05Jon Edwards
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)25/10/2003 04:33:59Todd
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)25/10/2003 04:47:06nj
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)25/10/2003 12:07:31Jon Edwards
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)25/10/2003 13:26:19Oscar Logieas
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)25/10/2003 18:38:44nj
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)26/10/2003 01:09:05Todd
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)27/10/2003 08:11:18nj
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)06/11/2003 06:12:16Todd
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ethics (metaphor)06/11/2003 12:07:36Pete West

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