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Topic: Standard Formats to document NLP (was - Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate)
Posted by: Jon Edwards
Date/Time: 12/09/2002 17:24:57

Hi John and Carmen,

Thanks so much for taking the time to help a newcomer understand better!

I'm starting to "get it" but was wondering if you could recommend any other sources (books or websites) that have explanations of the different positions that are congruent with your explanations? Not that yours aren't excellent, just that I'm one of those annoying people who likes to have the same thing repeated in different ways to help comprehension!  :-)

You said - "Your description of 2nd position strikes us as entirely too left brained" - point taken, but hopefully I can justify that in a constructive manner...

As a computer-programmer I do a lot of work with the National Health Service in the UK. Recently I've been investigating systems to record and disseminate Clinical Guidelines (a way of capturing "best practice" procedures for treating different conditions), and workflow systems (where objects move between different states via triggers and transitions).

On page 53 of WITW you said that you would like to create a "standard format whereby modelers can report their findings (patterning) in a manner that allows easy evaluation of their work" - and it struck me that there may be many similarities with the formats being developed to describe Clinical Guidelines and workflow. So, as I've been reading WITW, part of me has been wondering "How could one represent these ideas as state-diagrams, guidelines, flowcharts, or similar".

For example, you might say "There are these states called 'Positions', of which there are 3 types. Positions have the following attributes/variables - Scope, Resources, Focus?, .... The states are differentiated by the values of the variables, and transitions between the states are triggered by changing those variables. Here are the required/optional variables for each state, and some recommended techniques for making/triggering the transitions......"

It might also be useful to describe the filters that you apply to FA (or to your internal thoughts/memories/representations) in different states, as inputs to be processed in certain ways?

If that sounds useful, I'd be happy to help in any way I can, or just to point out some useful websites, if you prefer?

Cheers, Jon


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate09/09/2002 21:39:01Gene Bryson
     Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate09/09/2002 22:30:47Jim r
          Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate09/09/2002 23:38:22Gene Bryson
     Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate10/09/2002 09:54:58Michael Carroll
     Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate10/09/2002 14:38:36Jon Edwards
          Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate10/09/2002 15:35:51Gene Bryson
               Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate11/09/2002 15:05:01Jon Edwards
                    Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate11/09/2002 17:44:24John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
                         Standard Formats to document NLP (was - Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate)12/09/2002 17:24:57Jon Edwards
          Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate10/09/2002 19:23:25Michael Carroll
     Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate10/09/2002 19:02:47Michael Carroll
          Computer error 11/09/2002 00:36:20Michael Carroll
     Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate12/09/2002 00:26:05Ulic
          Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate12/09/2002 06:51:32Robert
               Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate12/09/2002 14:54:57Ulic
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate12/09/2002 22:31:25Michael Carroll
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate13/09/2002 00:38:43Ulic
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate15/09/2002 12:27:57Michael Carroll
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate15/09/2002 16:04:10Ulic
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate15/09/2002 04:32:48Gene Bryson
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate15/09/2002 12:10:35Michael Carroll
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate15/09/2002 16:11:43Ulic
                              (Reply to Michael / Ulic) Re: Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate15/09/2002 20:41:57Gene Bryson
                                   Re:(Reply to Michael / Ulic) Re: Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate15/09/2002 20:47:04Michael Carroll
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-State vs. Third Perceptual Position Inquiry and Debate17/09/2002 18:16:49Robert

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