Maybe I should ask the questions in a different way: Can anyone give an example of a Meta-State as described in Hall's original work? There is also this, any reality we set ie: the frame, if we accept that frame we get stuck or such. If we dosnt accept that frame or reality or map of the world then what happens. We then ahve 2 realities, mine and yours. Now, taking the metastates and ask who that set the frame will set the frame. If you dosnt accept that then the frame set will be yours. Now question arise if not accepting that will be of a higher logical level or not? Since I dosnt accept that then not accepting will be on a higher level. Since not accepting exist only on a language thing then its not a physical reality making things as in logic a pardoxical thing. If we dosnt know reality outside F1 then we dosnt know the other persons reality, even if we can make good guesses. Therefore assumptions, judgement and such will be part of all discussions and not be free from the map of reality each of us have. If we accept for example M Halls reality to be true then things will be true as in how defined by M Hall. Thats the nature of how things works as it seems in langauge. Since truth isnt known we never can actually know what reality is and also in how things to be proved as true or not. If you have the map and territory thing then representations are all we have. /Robert