Compadres A pleasure! Ryan: "As in the learning of any complex skill, the chunks change through time. Initially, consciously tracking the foot might be a challenge, however with training, tracking foot, leg, spine, and shoulder both individually  (sequential and/or individual chunks) or all at once (creating a new chunk) is possible. I will assume that you (more or less) would agree." I certainly agree - your observation is paradigmatic: you cleanly trace the first steps of, as you say, "the learning of any complex skill": variation in chunk size and the manipulation of part/whole hierarchies. Describe the transfer function from conscious to unconscious patterning that seems to accompany learning and we have three of the essential variables for the discussion. 2. "BUT - Now I am starting to have doubts. I agree that the class of experiences noted above do in fact "exist" or at least are more or less useful descriptions of a process. However, the process seems to assume dissociation, does it not?" and "I am speaking of embodied feeling and sensation." and " I am creating a map but it is an embodied real-time map of as much as I can sense of myself at a particular point in time. Complete? No, but it is as 1st person as I can be and relatively associated." OK you ask, "the process seems to assume disassociation...". Let's fill in the blanks in "disassociate X from Y" Third position in triple description is a classic example of one form of disassociation. More specifically, the movement from 1st to 3rd involves a shift in visual perspective, a shift in auditory quality (e.g. sound of your own voice) and always (by definition) a shift in kinesthetic state - that is, the kinesthetics of 3rd may not be the same as the kinesthetics of the 1st from which it came. In this particular case (the movement from 1st to 3rd (again, by definition) involves a shift of levels in a hierarchy defined by inclusion - "I see (from 3rd an image of) myself (in 1st)". Now, you will remember from, for example, the construction of 3rd exercises in London, that it involves "stocking" certain resources beforehand in the posture, breathing pattern... that defines physiologically your personal 3rd. In the vocabulary you are using, this is both a disassociation - you are actively disassociating from the physiology of the state you have in 1st. This is the initiation point - you also have a destination point - the 3rd physiological defined and prepared by you eons ago, waiting for you.  I am guessing that in your terms, you are choosing your new state. Since the anchoring is completely physiological, you are moving at extreme speed (for that system) from one physiologically defined state to a different physiologically defined state. The shift offers a fundamentally different perception of the context in which this occurs and from which an avalanche of choices tumbles. The choreography of a sequence of clean movements from 1st to 3rd (and then, of course, to some new 1st), you sustain choice and more to the point in this conversation: body integrity - since the body (phsyiology) is the lead system, the dance promotes congruency. So, I would propose that the process is indeed inherently disassociative, and when choreographed as described offer a powerful strategy in pursuit of a preferred fully associated state. With the sensibilities of years of Feldenkrais, I would imagine that you could nearly teletransport. Reminds me of a story - you may remember the description Carmen and I offered in Whispering about the work I was doing at St. Paul's in Vancouver (where the 6 step reframe magically appeared). In the first training I had done there some months before, the physician that was the closest associate of Leonard (the physician who was my direct sponsor) has expressed scepticism about NLP and anchoring in particular. I assured him that his position was most reasonable as he had no experience. This seemed to ease him. I was doing a demonstration and fortuitously (or perhaps he was cleverer even than I thought) he was standing directly to the right side of the demonstration subject such that the light entering from entering through the windows highlighted perfectly the neck of the subject. I happened to do a two state anchoring sequence en route to some objective. He hurried up to me at the end of the work and with great satisfaction announced that anchoring was valid. His perceptual position had allowed him to witness (watching the carotid artery) the movement of the pulse of the demonstration subject from 120 in state X to 80 in state Y. All the best, John