| Topic: | Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:First Access |
| Posted by: | John Grinder |
| Date/Time: | 14/06/2003 17:49:48 |
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nj Nice! You are correct that, in general in English (American, at any rate) the arguments (nouns or noun phrases) of a predicate (verb, adjective, adverb) for the class of verbs of movement, change of location... are option arguments. Thus, the following sentences are well-formed and show a range of options with regard to the arguments of the verbs involvec" He transferred the data (both the "from" and the "to" arguments unexpressed) He transferred the data from the old pc. (the "from" argument expressed and the "to" argument unexpressed). He transferred the data from the old pc to the new laptop. (both the "from" and the "to" arguments expressed). The data transferred. (here we reach the limit as the "from", the "to" and the deep structure subject arguments are unexpressed. I didn't intend to give the impression that I wished to eliminate the verb "disassociate" and its minions from NLP - only to call attention to the fact that the vast majority of people using it (with deleted "from" and "to" argument haven't a clue. This in part results in the abuses and fail to notice the full set of arguments available in the language. You asked, "I wonder if you'd check your therapy experience for me. Can circumstances occur in the therapy context where just the therapist's knowledge of the absence of a client's (un)desired state is useful to the therapist" I regard the ability to know what state the client is in as essential in the ongoing calibration of the client - by complimentarity, this calibration allows the therapist to know with states the client is NOT in. In many cases, this is critical in the change dance. This includes the two circumstances that you identified, "-the ongoing absence of a particular state requires you to continue work toward the same result? - the sudden absence of a particular state requires you to begin work toward a new result?" You asked, "If you require yourself to distinguish the target of every relocation event that you want to verbally describe when you verbally describe the event, will you hinder your ability to communicate effectively or efficiently or appropriately?" Very much so - like the meta model or whatever variant you prefer (Precision model, verbal package), these are tools to be applied in specified contexts, not as a guide for communicating effectively - speaking without "meta model violations", if possible, would make for a very tedious communication. Yet there can be little question of the power of its application in specified contexts for specific purposes. All the best, John |