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Topic: Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms
Posted by: John Schertzer
Date/Time: 08/01/2004 22:03:54

If #5, why not simple dancing, and why not all the movements that one learns and chunks into walking, since that is a complex task as well, and something you wouldn't learn if there weren't other human beings to mimic?  And if so, why not visual recognition of objects, shapes, or shadows?  Why not phobia?  Why not driving?  Why not not learning to stop the flow of internal dialog and images, since it is itself something imagined and prescribed by F2 transforms?

How does one actually distinguish F2 transforms from what happens previously?

I still believe what John's calling FA is not previous to, but a special case of experience involving F2 transforms, even if that experience involves an interruption of what may usually be considered F2, ie zen meditation, martial arts, rock climbing, some forms of hypnosis, uptime, Castaneda's cafeteria of state elicitations...

best,
JS


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Examples of f2 transforms05/01/2004 15:16:03GSM
     Re:Examples of f2 transforms05/01/2004 15:54:34GSM
          Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms05/01/2004 16:41:36Robert Ballentine
          Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms08/01/2004 22:03:54John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms10/01/2004 16:30:13GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms10/01/2004 16:48:30GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 17:23:51John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 12:40:50GSM
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 13:46:33NY
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 13:59:47GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 18:55:53John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 21:55:27nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 05:08:01NY
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 10:44:04Anthony
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 17:03:34John Schertzer
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms15/01/2004 14:36:46John Schertzer
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 18:14:30John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 02:44:10NY
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 17:23:53John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 18:04:57Anthony
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 18:59:57John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 19:55:14Anthony
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms15/01/2004 10:57:30ny
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms15/01/2004 15:17:12John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 04:09:01ny
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 15:59:32GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 17:11:43John Schertzer
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 19:35:22John Grinder
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                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 20:01:22John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms17/01/2004 10:56:48Roberto Wordmano
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms17/01/2004 11:08:23Anthony
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     Re:Examples of f2 transforms06/01/2004 13:24:34Anthony
          Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms06/01/2004 15:55:32GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms06/01/2004 23:02:51Anthony
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 17:01:31John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 17:54:41nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 22:56:33GSM
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                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 22:58:06GSM
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms08/01/2004 04:17:59Anthony
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms08/01/2004 20:00:57John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms08/01/2004 21:29:40Anthony
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                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms10/01/2004 18:47:19John Grinder

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