| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms |
| Posted by: | nj |
| Date/Time: | 16/01/2004 23:11:53 |
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Hello, GSM. 1. You wrote: "How does one know if the formal patterning, model (i.e. FA and f2 distinctions) are useful model of human experience?" No, the question is how does John Grinder know that, NOT how do you know that, GSM. 2. You wrote: "But,since the models pertain to human experience - that is the reference point." I want to make a point. My point is that you don't share Dr. Grinder's logical type of experience, experience that has escaped the influence of linguistic transforms. Another point I want to make is that when you write "escape the influence of linguistic transforms", Dr. Grinder might think that you are describing the same experiences as he describes by "suspending F2 filters". 2. You wrote, "But,since the models pertain to human experience - that is the reference point." But, the reference point is Dr. Grinder's experience, not yours. 3. You wrote, "The resulting applications of the model have to be calibrated with individual experiences to determine their utility." Yes, so if you want to determine the utility of experiences, you have to go out and have those experiences. Careful, I'm not commanding you to go do that. Personally, I'll be fine if I never experience a complete escape from the influence of linguistic transforms. Now, I don't have any experiences that I'd describe how Dr. Grinder does, so either I don't appreciate his descriptions, or I've just never had his experiences. I have to trust that what Dr. Grinder experiences is worth experiencing how he says to do so, if I want to benefit from a training seminar with him. I can describe that experience however I like, once I can have it. Of course, my full description of the experience, and its implications, might be very different than my trainers. But the experience itself might match Dr. Grinder's (and Ms. Bostic St. Clair's) quite well. If what you want to debate is whether his experiences are accurately described, because of how he describes them, then until you share the logical type of experience that Dr. Grinder and Ms. Bostic St. Clair describe ("suspended F2 filters"), you might seem to be calling both Dr. Grinder and Ms. Bostic St. Clair a liar. So, up until the time that you and Dr. Grinder and Ms. Bostic St. Clair can all agree on names and descriptions for the experiences you share (once you have actually had them), you might seem to be challenging the veracity of Dr. Grinder and Ms. Bostic St. Clair's claims about having such experiences. My advice? Take the WITW authors claims as sincere claims, but don't expect that your understanding of what they're describing is giving you the experience of what they're describing. Check something else than their descriptions of the experience, to help you decide whether the experience is worth going to them to learn to have. To do that, I apply critical thinking skills, and my knowledge from past NLP and spiritual learning experiences. -nj |