| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms |
| Posted by: | GSM |
| Date/Time: | 10/01/2004 16:30:13 |
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Hi John, I think there's a relevant difference worth considering (in ref to #5) between the actual physical movement engaged in as a much larger set (FA) than what might be used as a prompt or guidance (f2). Simple dancing without deliberate models to guide the dance (in whatever combination of reps) is another example of FA experience. Specific dance movements learnt and practiced again are an example of f2 :-) But any great performer knows that elegance, grace and whole range of other subtleties, which are available at FA, are not covered by the models in f2. You asked,"why not visual recognition of objects, shapes, or shadows?" I think the point here John, is which object, shape or shadow and under what contexts? The specifics go beyond categorical distinctions, these analogue distinctions can be considered available at FA. Or are we referring to categorical distinctions at f2 (surmations). Your attention could emphasise either. Can you completely drop categorical surmations in your awareness? That's something I guess John Grinder has been exploring for quite a while. Alternatively someone might think this is an obsession with small chunk detail. Perhaps. When do you decide to ignore information in the details? A phobia? Is that a response that is largely associative, missing details.. but not via the organisation of specific rules of a set. Driving (see above as with dancing). We could define words as categorical surmations [CONTENT] of what is out there. The Milton Model is an attempt to use specific words in an artfully vague way that are formatted more closely with the [FORM] of neurological transforms and processes operating unconsciously and thereby attempt to avoid the [CONTENT] saturation of experience feed-forward by categorical sets and their rules. Sometimes if you chunk up enough the rules become vague enough to not include a large set of analogue distinctions at FA, whilst minimally reflecting [FORM] of patterning at the neurological level. You asked, "How does one actually distinguish F2 transforms from what happens previously?" Hold on what is an F2 transform? Categorical sets involving rules. What information is being presumed to exist as fitting within these categories are used to inform experience. What information can we obtain if we attempt to reduce their impact on our experience? To what degree can you live in moment, perhaps? :-) If you were to suspend judgement of the f2-FA distinctions for a moment, would you take this on board with the idea that not all f2 transforms are undesirable (and vice versa with FA), or unhelpful but neither would they provide the complete set of information available to you to reach and experience peak performance? |