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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms
Posted by: John Schertzer
Date/Time: 12/01/2004 17:23:53

Simple and complex dancing is only different as far as the range of specifics, but not either/or.

In the same way, something like meditation -- an ideal FA experience -- may only be possible with language directing the learning process, and therefore is a result of F2, though in itself is (ideally once again) a suspension of internal processing -- or as much as one can and still survive.  I would therefore consider this, as well as the know-nothing state, as F2 experiences. 

For instance, no one here will attempt to enter FA without being told what it is.  In the stream of experience it is post-F2. 

At some point you talk yourself into stop talking, and entering into sensory experience that way has a different quality than if someone stopped your internal dialog by pointing a gun at your head, or surprising you with an erotic feel.

Again, we're not talking about a suspension of language processing as much as punctuational pause.

best,
JS


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Examples of f2 transforms05/01/2004 15:16:03GSM
     Re:Examples of f2 transforms05/01/2004 15:54:34GSM
          Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms05/01/2004 16:41:36Robert Ballentine
          Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms08/01/2004 22:03:54John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms10/01/2004 16:30:13GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms10/01/2004 16:48:30GSM
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 17:23:51John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 12:40:50GSM
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 13:46:33NY
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 13:59:47GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 18:55:53John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms13/01/2004 21:55:27nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 05:08:01NY
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 10:44:04Anthony
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 17:03:34John Schertzer
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms15/01/2004 14:36:46John Schertzer
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 17:32:22John Schertzer
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                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms15/01/2004 20:45:16John Schertzer
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 18:14:30John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms14/01/2004 02:44:10NY
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 17:23:53John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 18:04:57Anthony
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 18:59:57John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms12/01/2004 19:55:14Anthony
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms15/01/2004 10:57:30ny
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms15/01/2004 15:17:12John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 04:09:01ny
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 15:59:32GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 17:11:43John Schertzer
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                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 19:35:22John Grinder
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 22:36:19Anthony
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 23:11:53nj
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms17/01/2004 12:49:54GSM
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms17/01/2004 20:59:31nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms16/01/2004 20:01:22John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms17/01/2004 10:56:48Roberto Wordmano
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms17/01/2004 11:08:23Anthony
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms18/01/2004 02:02:14Roberto Wordmano
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     Re:Examples of f2 transforms06/01/2004 13:24:34Anthony
          Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms06/01/2004 15:55:32GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms06/01/2004 23:02:51Anthony
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 17:01:31John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 17:54:41nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 22:56:33GSM
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                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms07/01/2004 22:58:06GSM
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms08/01/2004 04:17:59Anthony
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms08/01/2004 20:00:57John Grinder
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                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms10/01/2004 18:47:19John Grinder

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