| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms |
| Posted by: | GSM |
| Date/Time: | 17/01/2004 12:49:54 |
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Hi nj, Thanks for the response. You wrote: ""How does one know if the formal patterning, model (i.e. FA and f2 distinctions) are useful model of human experience?" No, the question is how does John Grinder know that, NOT how do you know that, GSM." Well that's not what seems to be the relevant question to me, I was basically in accord with something presented in Whispering (top of page 78). Quote: "When a modeler detects and codes a pattern, how does a researcher verify that there is a pattern, what presuppositions are present, and how do these factors affect the outcome? Similarly, these remarks are equally relevant to an investigator who has done no part of the development of the patterning but who wishes to determine the validity of the proposals being made by that patterning." This entails a case for an individual to apply TOTE. "My point is that you don't share Dr. Grinder's logical type of experience, experience that has escaped the influence of linguistic transforms." Absolutely I completely agree, I never will, (neither would anyone else) no matter how good I am (or anyone else is) at second position. "I have to trust that what Dr. Grinder experiences is worth experiencing how he says to do so, if I want to benefit from a training seminar with him." I'd buy a set of videos and do the exercises, if they become available John Grinder? I personally have experienced states where internal dialogue has been silenced. 10 years ago I spent considerable time practising Budhist and Hindi forms of meditation. I have also experienced high performance states in sport (as I've already described before on this forum) where internal dialogue is silent. "Take the WITW authors claims as sincere claims, but don't expect that your understanding of what they're describing is giving you the experience of what they're describing." You're spot on regarding the description of experience can not give you the same understanding of the experience as that made by the person involved (different logical type and level). Best, GSM |