Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Examples of f2 transforms |
Posted by: | John Schertzer |
Date/Time: | 15/01/2004 14:33:57 |
Went back to Whispering last night, which says F2 transforms are specifically linguistic. At some point I believe the authors say this isn't always true, in the case of people with very specialized pursuits, ie an architect may have visual F2 transforms at work, but that's a rare case. They also mention that NLP is meant to map FA and F2, as well as the place in between. I think this is where we're getting hung up. For argument's sake, I'll call this the "transformational space" between reference and deep structures -- using early NLP lingo for lack of a better idea. I guess I'm more interested in this space than I am in the FA-F2 di-bacle, since it seems to be where the most significant processes happen. I also believe there is a mutual influence between FA and F2, otherwise many of the physological changes possible through hypnosis would not be possible, ie time distortion, pain management, etc.. I believe Varela's book The Embodied Mind (review at http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~gnick/bvdh/print_embodied_mind.htm) suggests that 80 percent of our visual process is created internally, and only 20 is from outside. In other words the brain manufactures vision from what it already knows, some of which is influenced by language. So much for FA, but it was a nice idea. I don't agree with your idea that language always includes a linear, logical relationship to sensual mapping. Quite the contrary. If you observe the way people use it, there is a lot more in common with a phobic reaction than you may have noticed. Think of all the utterances you've heard come seemingly out of nowhere. And in a transderivational search the unconscious makes haphazard maps out of what it hears. best, JS |